none of us know if Detroit was interested in the least
media stated as much several times in the last two days. I believe Mackenzie even suggested that the Blues were perhaps only in the equation to drive the price up on the wings. (can't find that particular tweet atm), but there's this. I suspect he knows a lot more than any self professed forum GM.
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Bob McKenzie @TSNBobMcKenzie14h Even tho STL added Leopold, my sense is Blues are still keen to add another D. STL and DET continue to chase CGY's Jay Bouwmeester.
what are you talking about, sorry I deal in facts...nobody here knows if Detroit had any interest in Jaybo. How is this schtick?
"they could have got more"
ffs if they had a better offer they would probably take it
again would you trade a 1st and Sven for Jaybo? That is basically a lot of other people wanted/think we shold have gotten
its called reality my friend
Huh? No one would, and I don't recall anyone bringing that up. For starters, STL's first is nothing compared to what our lottery pick is going to be.
What I can remember being proposed was Berglund (a C that has had a hard time working out there), Stewart (quickly stomped out, as STL isn't trading their leading scorer to make the playoffs) and Rattie+1st/2nd
Those 3 I can remember people frequently stating 'temper your expectations' and we all agreed that this was a hope and a prayer for a steal. Most, when reminded of Bouw's NMC, suppressed their excitement.
So no, I wouldn't trade MacKinnon and Baertschi for Bouw. I would however trade Pittsburg's 1st and Byron for Pietrangelo if you're offering.
media stated as much several times in the last two days. I believe Mackenzie even suggested that the Blues were perhaps only in the equation to drive the price up on the wings. (can't find that particular tweet atm), but there's this. I suspect he knows a lot more than any self professed forum GM.
There certainly was a lot of talk about Detroit's interest, but we don't know what they were offering.
For all we know, they were pushing Feaster hard to accept a 1st straight up for Bouw and Feaster took St. Louis' offer. Hell, maybe Bouw didn't want to play in Detroit, as that team is all kinds of a mess right now. And if there's any team a defenceman can go to ruin their Iron Man streak... it's there.
That's standard procedure. If you have a NMC/NTC that's generally there to protect a player from going to a ####ty franchise , a place that's not desirable for their family family, or simply a team that player doesn't want to play for. It's useful for players like Jaybo to turn down the Islanders...not for players like Iginla to cherry pick one franchise.
Well obviously Iginla found it USEFUL to cherry pick one franchise. Limited NTCs are there to protect players from being traded to teams they don't want to play for. Full NTCs are there to protect players who don't want to be traded without their approval. NMCs are there to protect players from being traded or waived without their approval. Iginla had the right to cherry pick one franchise, he exercised that right.
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Doug MacLean, one of the worst GMs of the past 20 years even acknowledged it's common practice to have these lists written. It's not asking for much or invoking on a player's rights at all.
Does submitting a written list of teams a player is willing to go to equate to waiving a player's right to veto a trade? Regardless of the answer, all I'm saying is that it would be foolish to do so. Like I said, if I had an NMC, I'm controlling the process. I'm not waiving anything until I'm sure I got the deal I want. But you can go and field offers from my list of teams as they are the teams I MIGHT be willing to waive my NMC for and if my GM is smart he'll probably ask me my preferences.
Agree with the process or not, this isn't the first time Feaster has gone to a player with different proposals. He did the same thing with Brad Richards. It's just that for some reason we heard about it. Doug MacLean said that the reason the Luongo to Leafs deal fell through was that Luongo refused to waive his no trade. Presumably, Luongo did submit a list of teams he would be willing to accept a trade to. We just didn't hear about it until now and it's still just speculation. Clearly, there is a practice of asking the team's one-time "franchise player" for a list of teams he's willing to waive his NTC/NMC for, and a practice of going back to the player when there's an acceptable proposal instead of asking for a player to waive his NTC/NMC on paper for a list of teams and then wait to be traded.
There certainly was a lot of talk about Detroit's interest, but we don't know what they were offering.
For all we know, they were pushing Feaster hard to accept a 1st straight up for Bouw and Feaster took St. Louis' offer. Hell, maybe Bouw didn't want to play in Detroit, as that team is all kinds of a mess right now. And if there's any team a defenceman can go to ruin their Iron Man streak... it's there.
This is true, my post was simply to counter dino7's since he suggested we had no idea if detroit was interested at all.
I'd say it's clear they were interested in Bouw for a long while (probably since Lidstrom retired). What they were offering this week is really irrelevant. If there are two known parties interested in acquiring the services of a player, Feaster likely could have played it up more - but I suspect he's not done with the fire sale - and likely has a lot on his plate with the rumors of kipper and glencross alone - not to mention tanguay, cammi, and giordano rumors we've seen mentioned on this board in the last couple days.
This is true, my post was simply to counter dino7's since he suggested we had no idea if detroit was interested at all.
I'd say it's clear they were interested in Bouw for a long while (probably since Lidstrom retired). What they were offering this week is really irrelevant. If there are two known parties interested in acquiring the services of a player, Feaster likely could have played it up more - but I suspect he's not done with the fire sale - and likely has a lot on his plate with the rumors of kipper and glencross alone - not to mention tanguay, cammi, and giordano rumors we've seen mentioned on this board in the last couple days.
True.
I'll bet the conversation about Bouw with Detroit went on all year though. Detroit knew they'd need help, and coming into the season Calgary wanted to rid themselves of him. The conversation between Holland and Feaster likely changed drastically as the season went on.
Depends on make up of the team but probably not which is why I was hoping Cole and a 1st. I don't think of Cole as a Baertschi type prospect. Would have been fine with Rattie even though I think people put too much stock in him and Baertschi.
I'm looking at Cole's and Cundari's stats in the AHL, and they're close. Cole is 0.35ppg (38 pts, 109gp), while Cundari is 0.40 (70 pts, 173gp). Now, stats don't tell everything obviously, but it seems Cundari is a similiar prospect as Cole. Cole is bigger, but Cundari is younger.
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A third-year pro, Cundari has seven goals, 18 assists and 80 penalty minutes in 56 games with the Rivermen.
“As a player, I’m pretty aggressive,” said the Woodbridge, Ont. native. “I like to play an aggressive, in your face game. The last few years, I’ve really been working on my defensive game. I pride myself on being really good – really feisty– in the defensive zone.
“I can be a pretty nasty S.O.B. back there...And aside from the physical game, I love to jump up in the play.”
Listed at five-foot-10, 200 pounds, Cundari realizes people might jump to conclusions about his NHL potential due to dimensions.
“I don’t see myself as undersized,” he said. “I see it as being an advantage – as it being beneficial to me.
“Being a smaller guy means I’m more agile, more explosive. I’ll be fast. I’ll be up in the play. It really benefits my game. So for me, I’ve played with the `he’s too small” chip on my back my whole career.
“So to me, it means nothing when a guy says I’m too small. I feel like I can get the job done.”
I hate Feaster, but this was the max return we would get for #4. 30 great games doesn't erase 3 years of complete suckage. Add to that his $6.7M contract, his NTC, and this is his value.
Depends on make up of the team but probably not which is why I was hoping Cole and a 1st. I don't think of Cole as a Baertschi type prospect. Would have been fine with Rattie even though I think people put too much stock in him and Baertschi.
What's the fascination with Cole? Just because the guy was a first rounder doesn't mean he's good now or better than Cundari. For all we know, the Bljes offered Cole and the Flames wanted Cundari. Cole sounds rather vanilla if you ask me, big defenseman with little offense and low penalties, suggesting he's probably not super physical. Cundari has out scored and is reported a tough and nasty piece of work, he sounds like a Kevin Bieksa type defenseman.
Real scouts go and watch these players play rather than read HF's prospect page and look up where they were drafted. Feaster said that the Heat players hated playing against Cundari, you'd like to think that your minor league players and coaches can give a better assessment of a player than HF.
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i'll take a wait and see approach with Cundari. I just don't see very many 5'9/5'10 defenceman in the western conference, or league, that are able to play many meaningful minutes and be effective.
Ian white is an example of a guy who has, but then i think about how a guy like dustin penner use to lean into white on his way to the net, and realize maybe there's a reason you don't have many of these guys in the NHL.
Naturally, never seen the guy play, so hopefully he's got what it takes. my initial (and useless) thoughts on him are that he is at best a 5-6 guys who will only be able to play strictly sheltered minutes at the NHL level.
Bottom Line? Like the deals... but expect Feaster et al. will bungle the remainder.
There is obviously a duality there, but Doug Risebrough will tell you that you don't ever get to "cure" major gaffs with subsequent deals.
Wish this deal (and Iginla's) had been done 2 years ago when it was obvious the team wasn't going to contend. He may have done well on the LSAT (), but most people could tell that the Flames sucked, and Feaster apparently couldn't. No idea why.
Don't understand how Feaster felt the answer was "in the room" at any point during his tenure.
I don't expect the Flames to draft well, so am less enthused about 1st round picks than most. Color me jaded after 20 years of draft failure.
The biggest asset we have received is cap space. In light of the new CBA, it will provide a lot of flexibility for RFA and UFA sheets.
Given the Richards UFA pitch (9 million a season for 9 years?) and the O'Brian RFA fiasco, I don't expect Feaster to use the cap space very well.
Don't know anything about the prospects, but the deal can't be judged for at least a couple years for most of them. Odds are the naysayers will be correct (just based on the fact most players don't stick to the NHL), but if we got 1 player in the top half of the lineup, it would be a win.
It's about time these moves were made. Look forward to whoever our next GM is making the most of whatever is left of them.
Prove me wrong Feaster.
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CALGARY, AB -- He may not be known to Canadian hockey fans, but Reto Berra has built up quite the resume in European hockey circles.
In the last few years, the 26-year-old netminding prospect acquired from the St. Louis Blues in the trade for Jay Bouwmeester has been named the Swiss Goaltender of the Year, won a Swiss A League championship, and donned his national colours at the IIHF World Junior Hockey Championship and IIHF World Hockey Championships.
asked a Swiss guy I know from a German hockey board about Berra. Says he thinks that Feaster's "best outside the NHL" phrase is an exaggeration, but he is pretty high on Berra. Says he thinks he's the best goalie in the Swiss league and the sole reason for Biel even reaching the playoffs and not being destroyed there. Says stats don't tell the whole story because Biel is a bad team defensively. Says Berra pulls off highlight saves on a regular basis, though not sure what he can do on NA ice. Says he's a good character guy, down to earth.
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He may not be known to Canadian hockey fans, but Reto Berra has built up quite the resume in European hockey circles.
He many not be known to many Canadian hockey fans, but in the podcast that I do, I suggested a month ago or so that the Flames sign him (Didn't know his rights were still owned by the Blues)
I thought that because he's able to make flashy saves and that he's 6-4 that he might be able to put it together. At worst it'd be Henrik Karlsson 2.0.
The interesting thing is that Cundari at 5'10 / 200 apparently plays more physical game than JayBo at 6'4 / 215 does.According to scout reports and some youtube research it looks like his style is closer to Kasparaitis than Housley.
One thing is clear - if we keep Ramage, Sieloff, Breen, Cundari and Wotherspoon - our defence is gonna be hated to play against. Now we just need to find a way to get Seth Jones to the first pairing.
The thing is, typically at deadline day, it is the elite teams that are adding the big pieces and fringe teams are gambling on the smaller prizes. The fact Flames were able to get a 1st that could easily be in the 16-20 range is pretty big (whether it ends up being this year or next). I thought for sure if we traded him, it would be more in the 25-30 range. It's actually odd to see a 9th place team make this kind of deadline deal. I know if the Flames were in 9th and traded our 1st for someone like Bouwmeester, most people here would be having a conniption.
Just think how much it would cost to move up from say 25 to 16 and add that value on to the trade.
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While this is true to some extent, compliance buyouts sour the koolaid Feaster's trying to sell with this one.
Even with the compliance buyouts, players will be available, right? So having the extra cap space is still a good thing, even if teams get around their cap troubles?
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), but most people could tell that the Flames sucked, and Feaster apparently couldn't. No idea why.
