Flames 2013 Draft Discussion

[Canada 02]

Originally Posted by FlameZilla

Berglund has been benched, scratched and spent a lot of time on the 4th line this year.

He's played every game this season, averages 17 min a night, and only twice has he played less than 14 min

He hasn't been benched. He hasn't been scratched. If he has played min on the 4th line it is because he's been double shifted

[Wolven]

Originally Posted by Caged Great

Considering the Flames are starting in the first year of at least a 4 year rebuild to do it properly, it doesn't make sense to waste assets. Moving up in the draft does waste assets, especially when you're moving from around #20 up to the top 5. If anything, it might make more sense to trade down slightly to get more picks depending what's on the board at the time of our 2nd pick.

The most important thing is to be patient and not to rush things. Otherwise mistakes are more likely to occur.

That second pick is also dropping like a rock as the Blues are surging up the standings. At the pace they are going and with 2 games in hand they could easily vault themselves into home ice advantage for the playoffs.

At that point, even if they do not make it to the conference finals, we would be looking at a mid to late 20s pick from the Blues. Their remaining schedule is pretty comfy too with 7/10 games at home and most of their games against either bubble or non-playoff teams.

If both the Blues and Pens picks are between 25-30 then it will be that much harder to try to move up with them.

Hopefully the Avs will wake up and knock the Blues down a step. More likely though we will be relying upon the bubble teams (Stars, BJs, Coyotes) to put up a fight.

[kyuss275]

Originally Posted by Wolven

That second pick is also dropping like a rock as the Blues are surging up the standings. At the pace they are going and with 2 games in hand they could easily vault themselves into home ice advantage for the playoffs.

At that point, even if they do not make it to the conference finals, we would be looking at a mid to late 20s pick from the Blues. Their remaining schedule is pretty comfy too with 7/10 games at home and most of their games against either bubble or non-playoff teams.

If both the Blues and Pens picks are between 25-30 then it will be that much harder to try to move up with them.

Hopefully the Avs will wake up and knock the Blues down a step. More likely though we will be relying upon the bubble teams (Stars, BJs, Coyotes) to put up a fight.

Yep, Blues are playing well, i think they have win 5 in a row. Right now they are in the 6th spot and if they play either Vancouver or Minni they will make it to the 2nd round. Need the Blues to lose some games and have to play the Ducks or Chicago.

[Wolven]

Originally Posted by kyuss275

Yep, Blues are playing well, i think they have win 5 in a row. Right now they are in the 6th spot and if they play either Vancouver or Minni they will make it to the 2nd round. Need the Blues to lose some games and have to play the Ducks or Chicago.

I wouldn't mind the Blues matching up against the Kings in the first round in that it would likely mean the Blues will exit early but that would still translate into the Flames picking around the 22 mark instead of 17ish.

[FlameZilla]

Originally Posted by driveway

This list is from before the 2012-13 season, I can't find anything more recent with a quick Google search: http://thehockeywriters.com/the-next...p-10-rankings/

The top two: Sam Reinhart and Aaron Ekblad are both pretty highly regarded from what I can gather. Ekblad was the second player granted "exceptional" status by the CHL after Tavares, and Reinhart outranks him in many of the mock-drafts out there so he must be pretty special.

Michael Nylander's kid is draft eligible? Christ, that makes me feel old.

[FlameZilla]

Originally Posted by Canada 02

He's played every game this season, averages 17 min a night, and only twice has he played less than 14 min

He hasn't been benched. He hasn't been scratched. If he has played min on the 4th line it is because he's been double shifted

Sorry, my bad. There was talk of Hitchcock considering scratching him on the Blues SBn site. Trying to find the quote now. It was around the trade deadline and he'd played 2 games on the 4th line. Maybe it was just a motivational technique. Some Blues fans are ragging on him for being one-dimensional, and that one dimension is not defence.

[albertGQ]

So I was just wondering. If Mark Jankowski was a bit younger and was eligible for this year's draft. Where do you think he would be ranked? Still a late 1st rounder? Has the extra year of development help raise his stock?

[Fire Park '71]

Originally Posted by FlameZilla

If we happen to fail at failing and end up picking 5th or 6th I think we'd be mega lucky. This guy looks awesome. Definitely reminds me of Forsberg and it's a huge bonus that he's a right-handed shot.

Finally, someone on this board realizes that Flames are becoming an all left handed group of shooters and defenders. All three skaters obtained from Pittsburgh and St. Louis are lefties. After Blair Jones you have to look way down to find a natural centre that is right handed. (Bill Arnold). Hopefully, this situation is addressed in the off season.

[The Yen Man]

I really hope Calgary doesn't trade their 2014 pick to get another 2013 top ten pick. IMO, just be happy with whoever they take this year, and don't try to get too greedy. It's way to risky to trade next year's draft pick. Can you imagine the CP backlash on Feaster if Flames get the first overall pick next year, and it's traded to Nashville or Carolina? Yikes.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by albertGQ

So I was just wondering. If Mark Jankowski was a bit younger and was eligible for this year's draft. Where do you think he would be ranked? Still a late 1st rounder? Has the extra year of development help raise his stock?

Hard to say. If he wasn't drafted already he likely sticks to his original plan of going to the USHL for a season.

In that case I wouldn't have been surprised to see him put up great points and improve his draft stock.

With his college numbers I think he probably keep his same place as last year late first, early second.

[FlameZilla]

Originally Posted by Fire Park '71

Finally, someone on this board realizes that Flames are becoming an all left handed group of shooters and defenders. All three skaters obtained from Pittsburgh and St. Louis are lefties. After Blair Jones you have to look way down to find a natural centre that is right handed. (Bill Arnold). Hopefully, this situation is addressed in the off season.

We've only got Stempniak & Jackman as natural RW. I'm not 100% traditionalist, but we need some balance in the lineup.

The fact that Seth Jones, Mackinnon & Lindholm are righties makes me covet them that much more.

[moon]

Originally Posted by albertGQ

So I was just wondering. If Mark Jankowski was a bit younger and was eligible for this year's draft. Where do you think he would be ranked? Still a late 1st rounder? Has the extra year of development help raise his stock?

Probably roughly the same. A guy with lots of supposed potential with a lot of question marks as well.

Likely ranked all over the board by different teams some who would want him top 10 (Flames) others that would not take him 1st round (smart teams.)

[neo45]

After a successful year in College, Jankowski doesn't have too many question marks anymore. The one big question mark against him was that he played in a league that is worse than some Rec leagues, but he had a good season in College so that question mark should be gone.

As far as his abilities are concerned there are no question marks, good skating, good size, good skill, good mind for the game. The extra risk associated with this kid should be completely gone by now. I see absolutely no red flags on the horizon, Feaster's best move as GM so far

[moon]

Originally Posted by neo45

After a successful year in College, Jankowski doesn't have too many question marks anymore. The one big question mark against him was that he played in a league that is worse than some Rec leagues, but he had a good season in College so that question mark should be gone.

As far as his abilities are concerned there are no question marks, good skating, good size, good skill, good mind for the game. The extra risk associated with this kid should be completely gone by now. I see absolutely no red flags on the horizon, Feaster's best move as GM so far

He had an okay season at college. Didn't show a ton of offense so there are still questions of whether he can score at the NHL level. Is still fairly slight even with added weight so still questions of whether he will have strength at the NHL level. I also heard reports of him playing wing this year so could be questions about his ability to play center at the NHL level.

There are certainly questions about him and plenty of red flags about a kid that had an alright season. That doesn't mean it was a bad pick or he won't make it but there is still a lot of question of whether he will make it out not as there would be with any late 1st/2nd round pick.

[handgroen]

Too much time and optimism on my hands here

What about this scenario;
The standings as they are now are the same at years end
5.Tampa
4.Carolina
3.Calgary
2.Florida
1.Colorado

Colorado wins the draft lottery
Avs select jones
Florida selects Mckinnon
the flames after seeing they won't be getting mckinnon have lindholm and barkov higher on their list than drouin. flames trade their 3rd overall pick and the pitt pick to tampa for the 5th overall pick, nikita kucherov and their 2nd rounder.
Tampa gets moves up and gets Drouin and swaps their 2nd for a 1st rounder.
Calgary gets the player they wanted anyway in lindholm or barkov they only move down 6 or 7 spots by taking tampa's 2nd rounder and gets Kucherov who's tearing up the qmjhl right now.
http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/p...php?pid=123889

Seems to be win win for me.

with that trade in 1st 2 rounds the flames could come away
Lindholm (5)
Ristolianen (20)
mueller, zykov, or petan etc. (35)
and kucherov a player that's a year older and dynamite prospect

wishful thinking? doesn't seem like tampa would be getting fleeced at all though
would also do the same trade with carolina for victor rask

[Niemo]

I would deal Stempniak and Stajan for a 2nd round pick each (might have to attach a late pick), and I would deal Cammalleri for a mid-late 1st round pick (retaining 2M of his salary/cap).

It's time to load up!

[Tinordi]

Janko needs to have a huge breakout season next year in college if he's to project to be a point producer at the NHL level. He held his own next year but he needs an absolute explosion in production to be anything like what many are hoping he is.

[neo45]

Originally Posted by moon

He had an okay season at college. Didn't show a ton of offense so there are still questions of whether he can score at the NHL level. Is still fairly slight even with added weight so still questions of whether he will have strength at the NHL level. I also heard reports of him playing wing this year so could be questions about his ability to play center at the NHL level.

There are certainly questions about him and plenty of red flags about a kid that had an alright season. That doesn't mean it was a bad pick or he won't make it but there is still a lot of question of whether he will make it out not as there would be with any late 1st/2nd round pick.

Those are the same questions that surround any mid to late first round pick, those don't really count as extra red flags around Jankowski. You could say the exact same things about a guy like Tervainen

[moon]

Originally Posted by neo45

Those are the same questions that surround any mid to late first round pick, those don't really count as extra red flags around Jankowski. You could say the exact same things about a guy like Tervainen

That is what I am saying and why I said he would be ranked much like he was last season as a high pick for a few teams, 2nd rounder for some teams and likely 20-25th for most teams.

Never said anything about extra red flags.

[neo45]

Originally Posted by moon

That is what I am saying and why I said he would be ranked much like he was last season as a high pick for a few teams, 2nd rounder for some teams and likely 20-25th for most teams.

Never said anything about extra red flags.

My point is that his boom potential is still all there, but his bust potential has been significantly lowered by having success in the best league for prospects. That would likely lead to him getting drafted higher in this year's draft