Taber man charged with assault for protecting his wife/home

[Rifleman]

I wouldn't worry too much about the fella getting convicted of anything. Chances are these charges are pressed by the defense attorney to try and sway the jury a little bit if it ever gets to a trial by jury. He'll say "but...but...the plaintiff was knocking the poor kid's teeth out and for that, he's now charged with assault."

It's like when there is a divorce, a tactic they use is to name every single person the spouse could've cheated on you with, no matter how improbable.

[HeartsOfFire]

Originally Posted by mikey_the_redneck

What really irritated me was the reaction of the media the first few days. They printed the name of the man trying to protect his family, but only named the real criminals as "suspects".

He likely gave it freely. That would be his own fault.

[Traditional_Ale]

Originally Posted by theonlywhiteout

Really? So if I see a drunk driver I can run him off the road, rape him (or her), then murder them excecution style and I'd be a-Ok to do so? I know that's an extreme example but you can't possibly be serious right?

I think a lot of people who agree with the Texas man's rights to murder 2 guys robbing his neighbours house by shooting them in the back and defend this guy in Taber put too much stock in property and material wealth. Under no circumstance are my personal property or possesions more important than the safety of me and my family. Ever. When this lunatic saw someone breaking into his home and baracaded the thief inside he made a choice. He chose vigilante justice, as evididenced by the axe smashing in the face of the burgler. Was the victim wrong to ransack another mans house? Yes. Was he wrong to try and steal someone elses things? Oh yes. But putting his wifes life in danger by blocking his exit and forcing a confrentation is insane. Let the cops worry about law enforcement; this isn't the wild west. And to those who would respond by saying the cops won't catch the guy, maybe, maybe not. But if I had to chose to catching a guy but by doing so risking the lives of my family members --even by 5%-- I let the guy walk away with a TV or xbox. Hell I wouldn't even risk my dogs life to that material bullcrap.

So true, and a perfect contrast to the bullcrap theme this thread has taken going the other way. If one would seriously put themselves or their loved-ones at risk for material things I would argue the person is either insane, or a materialistic gluttunous pig.

[Shazam]

No castle doctrine for you!

[Coys1882]

Originally Posted by Traditional_Ale

So true, and a perfect contrast to the bullcrap theme this thread has taken going the other way. If one would seriously put themselves or their loved-ones at risk for material things I would argue the person is either insane, or a materialistic gluttunous pig.

I guess some people would argue that that attitude is what makes it such an easy decision for these guys to toss your home. Maybe the thought of the blunt side of a hatchet smashing their china if caught would be a deterrent.

Granted it's all material but don't people reach a point where they say, enough is enough? You're costing me my time, my money, my hard earned possessions - you deserve and are going to get a bloody good thumping.

[valo403]

Originally Posted by Coys1882

I guess some people would argue that that attitude is what makes it such an easy decision for these guys to toss your home. Maybe the thought of the blunt side of a hatchet smashing their china if caught would be a deterrent.

Granted it's all material but don't people reach a point where they say, enough is enough? You're costing me my time, my money, my hard earned possessions - you deserve and are going to get a bloody good thumping.

You're missing the point, it's not about what the criminals deserve, it's about prioritizng the safety of your family over your possessions.

[Coys1882]

Originally Posted by valo403

You're missing the point, it's not about what the criminals deserve, it's about prioritizng the safety of your family over your possessions.

I'm not though - they can be one in the same. Giving this guy a good beating might change the way he lives so that in the future he won't break into some other home and put another family in danger.

Making yourself an easy target is in a sense opening your self up to future danger.

[puckluck]

Originally Posted by valo403

No you wouldn't have

BTW, what aprt of this makes the system lenient against criminals? Did I miss something? The guys who broke into the house aren't getting their sentences reduced by whatever amount this guy gets.

And please, if the Canadian system is such a joke feel free to move along to one of those truly advanced justice systems like Saudi Arabia.

Yeah because I actually believe that Saudia Arabia has a better justice system than Canada

It's pretty weak when you're only argument is suggesting people move to another country if they're not happy with the way there's is being run.

And you're telling me that the Canadian justice system isn't a joke? why? because you're a lawyer or something? My friend was shot at 3 times and was hit once in the stomach and the guy that did the crime served a whopping 3 years in jail. 3 years for trying to kill some one seems lenient to me.

It's a joke and it's not exactly a secret and yes I would have blasted off his face if he even attempted to cause harm to my family.

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by Coys1882

I'm not though - they can be one in the same. Giving this guy a good beating might change the way he lives so that in the future he won't break into some other home and put another family in danger.

Making yourself an easy target is in a sense opening your self up to future danger.

According to him, this is not possible...for some reason.

It appears to me that, if in fact, this guy is charged but gets off, his assumption would be wrong.

All I know is that any law that says you cannot protect your wife or property because you used excessive force is...bogus. Someone is in YOUR home stealing YOUR stuff and threatening YOUR families safety...they get any "prarie" justice meted out to em.

[Traditional_Ale]

Originally Posted by Coys1882

I'm not though - they can be one in the same. Giving this guy a good beating might change the way he lives so that in the future he won't break into some other home and put another family in danger.

Making yourself an easy target is in a sense opening your self up to future danger.

If the beating itself put you or your family in danger then its not a good idea, imo, assertions of reformation aside.

Also, when a burglar scouts his targets I doubt they take the time to do in-depth character profiles and skill-set analysis` of their targets.

[Coys1882]

Originally Posted by Traditional_Ale

If the beating itself put you or your family in danger then its not a good idea, imo, assertions of reformation aside.

Also, when a burglar scouts his targets I doubt they take the time to do in-depth character profiles and skill-set analysis` of their targets.

Maybe not but if they ransack a house and then leave while the owners sit and watch from their car, there is a good chance they'll be back once the insurance adjuster has come and gone.

There's a reason the bully takes lunch money from the same kid everyday.

[Traditional_Ale]

Originally Posted by Coys1882

Maybe not but if they ransack a house and then leave while the owners sit and watch from their car, there is a good chance they'll be back once the insurance adjuster has come and gone.

I can agree with this to a certain extent, but after being burgaled the home owners would be wise to upgrade the security features of their property. Alarm system, stronger or added deadbolts, video cameras, etc. Also, there is no reason for the homeowners to even make the theif aware that they are there. Actually, I would argue this is the best idea.

There's a reason the bully takes lunch money from the same kid everyday.

While I see where you're coming from, I don't think the mentality of this particular scenario matches up to the thread, but that's just imo.

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by Traditional_Ale

If the beating itself put you or your family in danger then its not a good idea, imo, assertions of reformation aside.

Also, when a burglar scouts his targets I doubt they take the time to do in-depth character profiles and skill-set analysis` of their targets.

Except in this case he was PROTECTING his family...why are so many not seeing this?

Are there people here seriously saying they wouldn't do the same thing if they thought their loved one was in serious peril?

Smash a guy in the yap a couple times and hopefully knocking his chiclets all over the place with a big stick who just ran roughshod through your home
or
stand there and watch him possibly drive over your wife because thats what the police want you to do even though you are out in the country and away from any immediate help and you may possibly use excessive force but lets let the courts decide that.

yeah...pretty simple choice in my mind.

[Traditional_Ale]

Originally Posted by transplant99

Except in this case he was PROTECTING his family...why are so many not seeing this?

Are there people here seriously saying they wouldn't do the same thing if they thought their loved one was in serious peril?

Smash a guy in the yap a couple times and hopefully knocking his chiclets all over the place with a big stick who just ran roughshod through your home
or
stand there and watch him possibly drive over your wife because thats what the police want you to do even though you are out in the country and away from any immediate help and you may possibly use excessive force but lets let the courts decide that.

yeah...pretty simple choice in my mind.

If the theif was attacking one of my family members then all bets are off and I'd probably kill the poor idiot. But in the case of this specific story, something does not add up. It will be interesting to see how the story plays out, because I have a hunch that the husband and wife put themselves in harms way rather than the other way around.

[valo403]

Originally Posted by transplant99

Except in this case he was PROTECTING his family...why are so many not seeing this?

Are there people here seriously saying they wouldn't do the same thing if they thought their loved one was in serious peril?

Smash a guy in the yap a couple times and hopefully knocking his chiclets all over the place with a big stick who just ran roughshod through your home
or
stand there and watch him possibly drive over your wife because thats what the police want you to do even though you are out in the country and away from any immediate help and you may possibly use excessive force but lets let the courts decide that.

yeah...pretty simple choice in my mind.

Why are you not understanding that we're talking about more than one particular set of facts?

[valo403]

Originally Posted by puckluck

Yeah because I actually believe that Saudia Arabia has a better justice system than Canada

It's pretty weak when you're only argument is suggesting people move to another country if they're not happy with the way there's is being run.

And you're telling me that the Canadian justice system isn't a joke? why? because you're a lawyer or something? My friend was shot at 3 times and was hit once in the stomach and the guy that did the crime served a whopping 3 years in jail. 3 years for trying to kill some one seems lenient to me.

It's a joke and it's not exactly a secret and yes I would have blasted off his face if he even attempted to cause harm to my family.

Well let's here your plan to reform the justice system, or better yet, let's see you provide an example of a system that Canada should be aspiring to resemble.

Everybody loves to type away with the 'it's a joke' junk but when it comes right down to it very few people ever come up with anything that amounts to more than 'more jail time', and those plans are never set in the relaities of the world we live in.

[valo403]

Originally Posted by transplant99

According to him, this is not possible...for some reason.

It appears to me that, if in fact, this guy is charged but gets off, his assumption would be wrong.

All I know is that any law that says you cannot protect your wife or property because you used excessive force is...bogus. Someone is in YOUR home stealing YOUR stuff and threatening YOUR families safety...they get any "prarie" justice meted out to em.

Explain it to me then, because it's going to take some pretty elaborate tales to convince me that my family would be just as safe in a situation where there is a direct confrontation as it would be if there was no confrontation.

Looking forward to this one.

[CaptainCrunch]

I guess the best method that you can use is to literally surround your home with passive defenses. Sprinkle your lawn with bear traps. concealed pits lined with stakes smeared with human feces. A couple of Ewok logs tied off of a pressure plate.

Before you leave the house tie the door knob to a shotgun, line your window frames with scorpions.

That way they can't charge you with assault because you can claim that your a vietnam war fanatic and wanted to feel safe in your home.

Oh and add a couple of bugs bunny traps that involve anvils and acme dynamite.

[puckluck]

Originally Posted by valo403

Well let's here your plan to reform the justice system, or better yet, let's see you provide an example of a system that Canada should be aspiring to resemble.

Everybody loves to type away with the 'it's a joke' junk but when it comes right down to it very few people ever come up with anything that amounts to more than 'more jail time', and those plans are never set in the relaities of the world we live in.

If I was smart enough to reform the Canadian justice system do you think I'd be browsing CP during the day?

Again, you present a weak argument. Like when you criticize an NHL'er and someone tells you "I don't see you playing in the NHL"

[SeeBass]

Originally Posted by Coys1882

I'm not though - they can be one in the same. Giving this guy a good beating might change the way he lives so that in the future he won't break into some other home and put another family in danger.

Making yourself an easy target is in a sense opening your self up to future danger.

Or the next time the guy breaks into a house he is ready or expects a fight and brings a weapon.