Burning the Koran

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Why is 2 blocks too close? Why is it offensive at all?

[Flames Fan, Ph.D.]

Originally Posted by Calgaryborn

Another block or two.

Well, which is it? One block or two?

What if we move it out three blocks to the west of ground zero but it has a clear line of sight to Ground Zero so that when the Muslims pray facing Mecca they're actually facing Ground Zero?

There is a prayer room for Muslims in the Pentagon. Should they move it? Place it "another block or two" away?

[photon]

How much time and effort should Christian churches spend changing their plans and actions based on what Fred Phelps does?

Fred Phelps protests at funerals, an appropriate response should be for Christians to stop burying any Christian graves near those families who have been protested by Fred Phelps. If they really had empathy for those who have lost loved ones fighting and dying to protect their country and families, they would do something.

[Calgaryborn]

Originally Posted by Flames Fan, Ph.D.

How about the US army setting up chapels in the Green Zone and in the Republican Palace after initiating a war on false premises that led to tens of thousands killed and a couple of million people displaced from their homeland?

No one was killed in Iraq in the name of Jehovah or Jesus. On the other hand thosands were killed in the name of Allah in Iraq and in many other countries around the world.

[Flames Fan, Ph.D.]

Originally Posted by Calgaryborn

No one was killed in Iraq in the name of Jehovah or Jesus. On the other hand thosands were killed in the name of Allah in Iraq and in many other countries around the world.

But still, I'm sure you can understand and have some empathy for those people who may get the wrong impression when 100,000+ soldiers, mostly Christians, invade your country on the orders of a President who accidentally called it a "crusade" at one point.

A little empathy huh?

[bcb]

Originally Posted by Azure

He does have the right though, although without the fire permit I hope he gets fined.

I don't think its on the same level though as the mosque building.

I never said he didn't have the right to burn books.

Frankly everyone's arguing the minuscule details like zoning laws and municipal regulations.

The mere fact that the pastor even proposed this indicated the lunacy in his argument. And no sane person should rationalize the irrational.

[Reggie Dunlop]

The upshot of the whole deal is that pastor Terry Jones probably ends up going into hiding due to death threats. Or he'll be dumb enough to stay in the limelight. Either way, his fifteen minutes of fame will likely be his last.

Poor Molly Norris only suggested people draw a cartoon of Mohammed and is now under protection.

[MrMastodonFarm]

Originally Posted by Calgaryborn

I don't know. Another block or two. Where is the land located that was offered in the swap? The place they want to build on right now was damaged by a part of one of the planes. That's too close!

So irrational.

[Reggie Dunlop]

Oh, and Imam Rauf writes in the New York Times that Cordoba House will have prayer areas for all faiths.

/end outrage

[photon]

Originally Posted by Reggie Dunlop

Oh, and Iman Rauf writes in the New York Times that Cordoba House will have prayer areas for all faiths.

/end outrage

In that article he says "I have been away from home for two months, speaking abroad about cooperation among people from different religions. Every day, including the past two weeks spent representing my country on a State Department tour in the Middle East"

That's all? Calgaryborn made it sound so sinister!

[octothorp]

Originally Posted by Reggie Dunlop

Oh, and Iman Rauf writes in the New York Times that Cordoba House will have prayer areas for all faiths.

/end outrage

There's no atheist orgy pit? FTS.

[SeeBass]

Originally Posted by Calgaryborn

Yup it is a vicious cycle. The problem of course, is that this church represents about 50 people but, it will be seen as an indictment against every Christian to some. You will never get everyone on that high road at once.

Do you mean like 18 muslims flying planes into a building and some blaming Islam and all of its followers for it?

Your right when you put it like that it does hardly seem fair.

[SeeBass]

Originally Posted by photon

What I want to know is when the protests to the Shinto shrine near Pearl Harbour are.

Or heck, there's even a Mitsubishi dealership right on the water!! Let's burn Mitsubishi cars!

Dont forget about Mount Rushmore being on Indian Burial ground.

[Mad Mel]

Originally Posted by Calgaryborn

Of course they should show empathy. Why do they need to build it right there? Why not take the land swap and build the center a little futher away with the good will of the nation behid them?

Sure, why not? White American Christians have a proud history of relegating minorities to places that they deem suitable. Keep the tradition alive. Maybe make Muslims take their own buses while we're at it.

[SeeBass]

Originally Posted by Calgaryborn

Of course they should show empathy. Why do they need to build it right there? Why not take the land swap and build the center a little futher away with the good will of the nation behid them?

They already have my goodwill and many others and they should not care what the ignorant think.


What is the old expression if you let a man be ignorant and win, he will stay ignorant but if you teach him to understand....wait I think that was about fishing, nevermind.

[Devils'Advocate]

One thing that really bothers me here is that half the opposition to the Quran burning is that it will cause Muslim's to act irrationally and violently, leading to more terrorism, more suicide bombings and more attacks against troops in Afghanistan.

For many, the whole "it's disgustingly disrespectful" idea seems lost. It's "we shouldn't provoke Muslims... those people are crazy!!!". In other words, half of the opposition to the Quran burning Islamophobia is OUT OF ISLAMOPHOBIA.

But of course those that DO act irrationally are not doing themselves any favours and only serves to condemn the majority. The burning of American flags in Indonesia in response to this small church just shows that there just seems to be idiots all around. It's quite depressing. It's like that bumper sticker says... the more people I know, the more I like my dog.

[HotHotHeat]

Lol, Calgaryborn is getting absolutely slammed in this thread. He can't keep up.

[valo403]

Originally Posted by Calgaryborn

Useing your logic the Jewish community should get a building permit to build wherever they want.

THey do, when they go through the proper channels, get the proper consents, and conform to the law. Just like everyone else. Oh I forgot, you're still under the idiotic impression that the approval process for Park 51 was contrary to the law, based 100% on the fact that you have absolutely no understanding of the law.

[Phaneuf3]

Originally Posted by photon

Why is 2 blocks too close? Why is it offensive at all?

Because it's on the sacred ground that once was a Burlington Coat Factory.

[mykalberta]

Why is this news? Stuff is burned all the time in the US as an expression of their freedoms. Just because we dont always agree with it, its their right under the US constitution. By making this news you only enable these and other idots to burn other things.

No one should be bullied into not writing (cartoons) or burning what they want.