08-26-2010, 06:51 AM
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Originally Posted by Calgaryborn
Yes well the scientific community isn't self supporting. It requires either financial investment dollars or tax dollars. Without outside forces there is no research or scientific community.
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Obviously.
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08-26-2010, 08:36 AM
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#82
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Originally Posted by SeeBass
Oh give me a break...you are not that stupid.
Do I really have to list the numerous advancements from the space program?
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Please do list the "numerous advancements." I don't really care. Technological advances is not the messianic promise to the human race that some posters and many moderns think it should be.
The track record of science doing great things for its own sake isn't exactly great this past century. You have to realize that with all the advances in medicine, transportation, food storage etc... we've allowed technology to run free in some of the most horrifying ways.
A strong public spirit must rule science, which is simply knowledge-collection. If it has no other purpose then itself, it remains completely untied to a source of common human values beyond the most bare humanist principles that scientists try to hold.
Last edited by peter12; 08-26-2010 at 08:39 AM.
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08-26-2010, 08:40 AM
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#83
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Originally Posted by Thor
Obviously.
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So, in your mind, the scientific community (whatever that is) must be completely unshackled from the influences of politics and religion, but must also be completely funded and sustained by those same bodies? Bizarre.
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08-26-2010, 08:44 AM
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#84
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Originally Posted by peter12
Surprisingly useless to us as a species too.
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Seriously man?
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08-26-2010, 08:45 AM
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#85
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Originally Posted by MrMastodonFarm
Seriously man?
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How many kids in America go without breakfast on a daily basis?
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08-26-2010, 08:47 AM
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#86
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Originally Posted by peter12
How many kids in America go without breakfast on a daily basis?
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It's about living a thoughtful life, which is just as much about learning the history of our planet, and our solar system, as it is about sweater vests and pleated pants.
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08-26-2010, 08:57 AM
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#87
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Location: Calgary
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I love the space program, but when you look at it realistically we should perhaps funnel our efforts into exploring the oceans and learning more about our planet first.
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08-26-2010, 09:02 AM
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#88
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Originally Posted by burn_this_city
I love the space program, but when you look at it realistically we should perhaps funnel our efforts into exploring the oceans and learning more about our planet first.
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Learning about Space helps us learn about our planet too, but Ocean exploration is important.
Personally I think 100-150 more kids shouldn't eat breakfast in support of our Oceans.
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08-26-2010, 09:07 AM
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#89
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Originally Posted by peter12
So, in your mind, the scientific community (whatever that is) must be completely unshackled from the influences of politics and religion, but must also be completely funded and sustained by those same bodies? Bizarre.
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Nope, again assumptions assumptions assumptions. 
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08-26-2010, 09:08 AM
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#90
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Originally Posted by peter12
So, in your mind, the scientific community (whatever that is) must be completely unshackled from the influences of politics and religion, but must also be completely funded and sustained by those same bodies? Bizarre.
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How exactly did you manage to throw religion in there? Last time I checked the US, which is the country involved here, had that whole 'seperation of church and state' thing going on.
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08-26-2010, 09:08 AM
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#91
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God of Hating Twitter
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Originally Posted by burn_this_city
I love the space program, but when you look at it realistically we should perhaps funnel our efforts into exploring the oceans and learning more about our planet first.
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Did you watch the video I posted?
It costs less than half a penny for each American to pay for all of Nasa.
Now compare that to the military budget of the US and tell me we shouldn't be fully funding space research.
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08-26-2010, 09:16 AM
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#92
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Originally Posted by Thor
Did you watch the video I posted?
It costs less than half a penny for each American to pay for all of Nasa.
Now compare that to the military budget of the US and tell me we shouldn't be fully funding space research.
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I'll watch it tonight. I agree the US spends way too much on the military, but how else can you police the world 
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08-26-2010, 09:17 AM
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#93
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Originally Posted by peter12
Why do we feel the need, this last half-century, to escape this beautiful earth?
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This is what humans do. If we didn't leave the cradle, there would be no Plato, no Socrates, no Jesus, no you.
The entire universe is beautiful.
http://www.planetary.org/programs/pr...y/roadmap.html
The Planetary Society recommends a vigorous new approach to space exploration in Beyond the Moon: A New Roadmap for Human Space Exploration in the 21st Century. The Society created the Roadmap for the consideration of the U.S. Administration and Congress that will take power in early 2009.
http://www.planetary.org/explore/
Take a journey through space. Visit the planets, moons, asteroids, and comets that wander our planetary neighborhood and learn about the spacecraft that send us information and images about our solar system. Then, look beyond — explore newly-discovered planets orbiting other stars and search for life beyond Earth.
Last edited by troutman; 08-26-2010 at 09:26 AM.
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08-26-2010, 09:21 AM
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#94
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Originally Posted by troutman
This is what humans do. If we didn't leave the cradle, there would be no Plato, no Socrates, no Jesus, no you.
The entire universe is beautiful.
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Leaving the cradle and living IN the world is a lot different than leaving the world.
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08-26-2010, 09:29 AM
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#95
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Originally Posted by peter12
Leaving the cradle and living IN the world is a lot different than leaving the world.
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Was Columbus crossing the Atlantic any different than Neil Armstrong stepping on the moon?
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08-26-2010, 09:31 AM
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#96
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Originally Posted by peter12
Please do list the "numerous advancements." I don't really care. Technological advances is not the messianic promise to the human race that some posters and many moderns think it should be.
The track record of science doing great things for its own sake isn't exactly great this past century. You have to realize that with all the advances in medicine, transportation, food storage etc... we've allowed technology to run free in some of the most horrifying ways.
A strong public spirit must rule science, which is simply knowledge-collection. If it has no other purpose then itself, it remains completely untied to a source of common human values beyond the most bare humanist principles that scientists try to hold.
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Blah Blah Blah, head in sand Blah Blah Blah look at me I'm trying to create attention on line Blah Blah Blah I'm such a free thinker look at me Blah Blah Blah
you are so full of it on this one.
I'm not going down this path with you on this one. I will just consider your enjoyment of this so called bad technonlogy and consider you a hypocrite and an attention hound.
Please dont respond as I can say the same thing "I really dont care"
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08-26-2010, 09:32 AM
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#97
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Originally Posted by troutman
Was Columbus crossing the Atlantic any different than Neil Armstrong stepping on the moon?
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Yes.
For one, it was done within a precise set of political purposes and two, the discovery eventually became a political conflict as there were already people living in North America.
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08-26-2010, 09:32 AM
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#98
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Originally Posted by peter12
How many kids in America go without breakfast on a daily basis?
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ever heard of Tang?
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08-26-2010, 09:33 AM
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#99
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Originally Posted by SeeBass
Blah Blah Blah, head in sand Blah Blah Blah look at me I'm trying to create attention on line Blah Blah Blah I'm such a free thinker look at me Blah Blah Blah
you are so full of it on this one.
I'm not going down this path with you on this one. I will just consider your enjoyment of this so called bad technonlogy and consider you a hypocrite and an attention hound.
Please dont respond as I can say the same thing "I really dont care"
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I really don't care, but you should probably read up on this.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dialogic
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08-26-2010, 09:49 AM
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#100
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Originally Posted by peter12
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do you have any thoughts of your own or are you just (insert philosopher) wrote this and (insert philospher) said that?
Seriously I enjoy reading your point of view but I would actually just like to read YOUR point of view once in awhile.
Hey we all get it...YOU ARE SMART!!!!
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