Conservapedia: E=mc2 Is A Liberal Conspiracy

[peter12]

Originally Posted by photon

I'd agree with the first part (I just think that that good is emergent from society itself), and the second part, well maybe, society is certainly crazy, but there's not much I can do about it except spectate and contribute the occasional lolcat

I think the FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU is much more apt.

[HeartsOfFire]

Rageguy is epic.

[photon]

I would be all for making more philosophy part of education.

[peter12]

Originally Posted by photon

I would be all for making more philosophy part of education.

Kids should really start reading some of the classics at the beginning of high school. There is no excuse, in my mind, that a social studies unit on the Canadian democracy should not be themed by readings from John Locke.

The problem is that most teachers aren't competently educated to receive or teach such material.

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by peter12

Kids should really start reading some of the classics at the beginning of high school. There is no excuse, in my mind, that a social studies unit on the Canadian democracy should not be themed by readings from John Locke.

The problem is that most teachers aren't competently educated to receive or teach such material.

I believe I'm about the same age as you and I definitely remember studying Locke in social studies. It wasn't incredibly extensive, but quite a few of the more prominent AOE thinkers were studied.

[peter12]

Originally Posted by rubecube

I believe I'm about the same age as you and I definitely remember studying Locke in social studies. It wasn't incredibly extensive, but quite a few of the more prominent AOE thinkers were studied.

Well, I think we got like a little paragraph explaining who he was and what he did, but we never actually read selections of The Second Treatise on Government.

[Azure]

I also think it should be a BIG part of high school. But the obvious concern is teachers not being able to actually teach it properly.

[photon]

Not really related but on the same site.

http://www.conservapedia.com/index.p...a&oldid=802900

Now I wouldn't advocate vandalism, but this has me conflicted

[Thor]

Originally Posted by burn_this_city

I feel bad for Hitchens. I wonder if he'll stick to his guns to the bitter end. I'm sure he will but I've heard the saying "Theres no such thing as an athiest at a palliative care facility".

Amazing. You actually thought to yourself, "i wonder if he'll convert."

Why wouldn't he be who he is to the bitter end, or do you have some insight as to why he'd convert at the last moment?

Astounding statements, its like the most ignorant statement of there is no atheists in foxholes.

[SeeBass]

Originally Posted by burn_this_city

I feel bad for Hitchens. I wonder if he'll stick to his guns to the bitter end. I'm sure he will but I've heard the saying "Theres no such thing as an athiest at a palliative care facility".

I saw an interview two days ago with him and he stated that he has never changed his mind and if any rumours come out that he did after his death will be absolutly false.

[photon]

I've had lots of Christians tell me Darwin recanted on his death bed with a straight face, it would not shock me at all if Hitchens' miraculous death bed conversion became "common knowledge"

[troutman]

http://wiki.ironchariots.org/index.p...bed_conversion

• Charles Darwin - Many tracts and sermons have included a story of Charles Darwin's deathbed conversion, but there is no evidence to support this. The "Lady Hope" story, in which a well-meaning woman is asked to sit in with the ailing Darwin during his last days, was published in a Baptist newspaper in 1915. Darwin's family denied the story.

• Carl Sagan - "Contrary to the fantasies of the fundamentalists, there was no deathbed conversion, no last minute refuge taken in a comforting vision of a heaven or an afterlife. For Carl, what mattered most was what was true, not merely what would make us feel better. Even at this moment when anyone would be forgiven for turning away from the reality of our situation, Carl was unflinching. As we looked deeply into each other's eyes, it was with a shared conviction that our wondrous life together was ending forever." - Ann Druyan, Epilogue to Billions and Billions: Thoughts on Life and Death at the Brink of the Millennium

[Phaneuf3]

http://www.ted.com/index.php/talks/a...iblically.html

[burn_this_city]

Originally Posted by Thor

Amazing. You actually thought to yourself, "i wonder if he'll convert."

Why wouldn't he be who he is to the bitter end, or do you have some insight as to why he'd convert at the last moment?

Astounding statements, its like the most ignorant statement of there is no atheists in foxholes.

I never though that to myself at all. I've read his book and he definitely seems convinced this is all there is. The true test of a person whether they stick to their convictions to the bitter end. I guess I just wondered to myself what I'd believe given that prognosis.

[SebC]

Originally Posted by peter12

People like you have to realize that there is going to be some pretty wild plurality of opinion in a democracy. There's nothing scary about this website. It's just idiotic.

What's scary is not these thoughts are generated, but rather that they persist.

http://www.boston.com/bostonglobe/id...ire/?page=full

[Mike F]

Originally Posted by troutman

BTW, Hitchens is gravely ill with cancer.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/0..._n_676681.html

Good hour long, post-diagnosis interview with Hitchens on Charlie Rose.

[Iowa_Flames_Fan]

Originally Posted by peter12

I just found this out and it's rather interesting, but the most vehement opponents of Hitchens (ie. those now wishing for his slow and painful death) aren't religious types, but his old comrades on the Left who see his success in the last few years, his support for the Iraq War etc... to be a sellout.

Peter, if you haven't already, you might check out Terry Eagleton's "Reason, Faith and Revolution: Reflections on the God Debates." I'm reading it now, and it's fantastic. Eagleton might be considered an "old comrade on the left," though he's successful in his own right as perhaps the foremost Marxist literary critic on the planet.

But he's also a person of faith, and his criticism of Dawkins and Hitchens is absolutely scathing, not to mention hilariously witty. Interspersed with that is a complex and wonderful reading of Christian theology and how it has profoundly informed his political and personal life.

I highly recommend it--it's fantastic so far.

[peter12]

Originally Posted by Iowa_Flames_Fan

Peter, if you haven't already, you might check out Terry Eagleton's "Reason, Faith and Revolution: Reflections on the God Debates." I'm reading it now, and it's fantastic. Eagleton might be considered an "old comrade on the left," though he's successful in his own right as perhaps the foremost Marxist literary critic on the planet.

But he's also a person of faith, and his criticism of Dawkins and Hitchens is absolutely scathing, not to mention hilariously witty. Interspersed with that is a complex and wonderful reading of Christian theology and how it has profoundly informed his political and personal life.

I highly recommend it--it's fantastic so far.

Some of my more conservative teachers and colleagues have testified to Eagleton's ability to almost turn them to the dark side. His sensitivity and concern for people is apparently just extremely compelling. I'll probably pick this up. Thanks a lot.

[bcb]

Originally Posted by Azure

I also think it should be a BIG part of high school. But the obvious concern is teachers not being able to actually teach it properly.

You try explaining to a parent why their child died of boredom.

[peter12]

Originally Posted by bcb

You try explaining to a parent why their child died of boredom.

Philosophy, taught well, is far more exciting than the drivel that students are forced to sit through nowadays.