New visible gang in Calgary?

[Traditional_Ale]

I think whats even more "GOLD" is how respected posters are going around making ass-hats of themselves trying to bait him. Sure he's an over-opinionated ass, but who on CP isn't to a greater or lesser degree? I sure am. This guy will not be baited, and the drive-by's and baiting attempts are getting old. New posters often suck but then grow out of it once they get in the swing of things.

[GreenTeaFrapp]

Originally Posted by Bouw N Arrow

If one is to grow up in a real Ghetto like those that that exist in the United States, you're almost forced into that lifestyle. These Canadian gangs are groups of people who DESIRE to live that kind of lifestyle.

What about the native gangs? Growing up on a reservation can't be much better than growing up in a "real ghetto".

[MelBridgeman]

Originally Posted by Shazam

Compared to huge swaths of LA controlled by gangs, our gang problem is a minor blip.

Do you mean Calgary or Canada in general...I am sure Vancouver is nothng compared to anything in the states, but man it's still a mega issue

Gang shootings have been the subject of intense media coverage in Vancouver in 2009. These events include:[7]
January

• 20: Jamie Bacon's car shot at while driving through Abbotsford. Bacon was the subject of an unusual public warning issued by police earlier this year, suggesting anyone dealing with him could be at risk.
• 22: Forty-two-year-old man wounded in an apparent robbery at Abbotsford marijuana grow-operation.
• 23: Two men wounded by shots fired outside Abbotsford home.
• 24: Occupant of a Surrey home wounded by early-morning shots fired through door.
• 27: Andrew (Drew) Cilliers, 26, shot outside a home in what appeared to be a targeted attack.
• 29: William Peter Canning, 65, New Westminster resident, found slain in an east Vancouver apartment building.

February

• 1: Tyson Edwards, 21, Burnaby resident, stabbed outside a nightclub in downtown Vancouver.
• 2: James Ward Erickson, 25, shot in an apartment in Surrey.
• 3: Brianna Helen Kinnear, 22, found shot in a truck in Coquitlam.
• 3: Raphael Baldini, 21, was shot in a busy parking lot in Surrey.
• 6: William Wayne Cloud, 19, stabbed to death in a house.
• 6: Kevin LeClair, 26, Surrey man was shot in the parking lot outside a Langley grocery store.
• 8: Man wounded in shooting in west-side Vancouver parking lot.
• 11: Nicholas Gordon Smith, 24, shot in the basement of a house.
• 12: Shots fired at a Burnaby home, no suspect found.
• 16: Driver wounded after shots fired at SUV outside Surrey strip club; police later arrest five people, charge two with attempted murder.
• 16: Nicole Alemy killed in Surrey while driving husband's car with four-year-old son in back seat.
• 17: Shane Alan Messent, 24, shot in a home invasion.
• 22: Man known to police wounded in shooting in east Vancouver.
• 26: Cory Stephen Konkin, 30, shot in his car in Maple Ridge.
• 27: Man shot outside Surrey home in what police call targeted attack.

March

• 2: Sukhwinder Singh Dhaliwal, 32, was found shot dead.
• 3: Young woman killed and man wounded in shooting at Burnaby apartment.
• 3: Sunil Mall, 27, shot in his car in East Vancouver.
• 3: Shots fired in drive-by shooting outside suspected drug house in Surrey.
• 5: Man shot in drive-by shooting at Vancouver home.
• 10: Two men shot and killed in an apartment.[8]
• 15: Laura Lynn Lamoureux, 36, gunned down in a Langley gutter early Saturday morning.[9]
• 19: Unidentifed man, 33, found shot to death in the parking lot of Hi-Knoll Park.[10]
• 30: Sean Murphy, 21, shot to death in his car on Bateman Road and Latimer Street.[11]
• 31: Ryan Richards, 19, found shot to death in a field behind a produce store.[11]

April

• 4: Unidentified man found shot to death in an SUV.[12]
• 6: Lionel Tan, 24, shot to death outside a gas station.[13]
• 15: Betty Yan, 39, found shot to death in a grey Mercedes at a dark industrial Richmond strip mall.[14]

May

• 1: Joseph Randay, 18, and Dilsher Singh Gill, 17, were abducted and then shot to death in an abandoned SUV.[15]
• 12: Damon Michael Martin, 33, found shot to death with a shotgun lying on a road in the Panorama Ridge area of Surrey.[16]
• 16: Christopher Roy Whitmee, 34, shot to death on 76th Street and 57th Avenue in Cloverdale, a town centre in Surrey. Another man was critically injured.[17]
• 28: Sarjbit Nagra, 29, shot on a Maple Ridge street. Drove himself to hospital where he died of his injuries.[18]

June

• 11: Jeffrey Qi Feng Bian, stabbed to death in an 18th-floor Yaletown condominium.[19]
• 30: Jaswant Rai, 36, found shot to death in an SUV on Mount Lehman Road between Townshipline Road and Downes Road.[20]

July

• 13: Unidentified South Asian male found shot dead inside the A Canadian Autobody and Painting workshop in Surrey.[21]
• 16: John William Hanna, 25, found dead in a burned-out car in Burnaby, killed in a targeted hit

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2009_Vancouver_gang_war

[Ozy_Flame]

Somehow I don't think the Hells Angels, FOB and FOB Killers are going to let them walk into their turf. The drug trade is incredibly lucrative and those three don't need a fourth band of losers stealing some of the profits.

Ideally all these guys will just kill themselves off, no matter what color of shirt they wear. Gangs are scum, and a plague on society.

[JiriHrdina]

Originally Posted by Bouw N Arrow

I understand your point Jiri - That isn't the point I was trying to make.

If one is to grow up in a real Ghetto like those that that exist in the United States, you're almost forced into that lifestyle. These Canadian gangs are groups of people who DESIRE to live that kind of lifestyle.

That's my only point, I agree that the consequences and issues that arise from gangs are NOT different.

Seeing a Vietnamese gang member being hacked by a machete in West Edmonton Mall Boxing day about 10 years ago was one of the most eff'd up things i'll ever see in my life.

Thanks for clarifying your point - but I maintain the cycles of violence and poverty exist here. Not to the degree that it does in the US but a lot of people still get trapped into the criminal lifestyle because of their circumstances.

[Traditional_Ale]

Originally Posted by Ozy_Flame

Somehow I don't think the Hells Angels, FOB and FOB Killers are going to let them walk into their turf. The drug trade is incredibly lucrative and those three don't need a fourth band of losers stealing some of the profits.

Ideally all these guys will just kill themselves off, no matter what color of shirt they wear. Gangs are scum, and a plague on society.

I have played at an HA event that was a fundraiser for Kids Cancer. Although it was most certainly not an official event, and nobody wore colors, I was informed in no uncertain terms that it was an HA party.

[Pinner]

The Bike gangs have been around for a long time and controlled the drug trade without any real threat to uninvolved people. Turf wars for the most part were out of sight and mind and seldom in the paper.

The Blacks, Asians, and South Asians have been shooting up the streets all over North America, thanks to them we all know what a "drive by" is now.

Bikers for the most part are hard workers, good neighbours, and safe to be around.

The drug trade isn't going anywhere as long as there is a demand, I'd like to see the Bikers clean up the trash and get rid of the crack and meth etc.

[feartheflames]

ummm,so you guys see black men wearing blue, and golly gee it must be a gang!!!!

[Ozy_Flame]

Originally Posted by Traditional_Ale

I have played at an HA event that was a fundraiser for Kids Cancer. Although it was most certainly not an official event, and nobody wore colors, I was informed in no uncertain terms that it was an HA party.

I know that the HA's have a charity wing to their organization, and alot of them now are corporate types downtown and you'd never notice.

However, they have a storied history of drug trade, extorion, money laundering, assault, murder, and a host of other activities. Don't let a charity wing fool you; their organization is linked to crime, and has been over and over.

Just a point of reference as well, Hamas and Hezbollah also have charity wings.

[Montana Moe]

Originally Posted by Traditional_Ale

I have played at an HA event that was a fundraiser for Kids Cancer. Although it was most certainly not an official event, and nobody wore colors, I was informed in no uncertain terms that it was an HA party.

A fundraiser for kid's cancer? Man, they are dangerous!

[MrMastodonFarm]

Originally Posted by feartheflames

ummm,so you guys see black men wearing blue, and golly gee it must be a gang!!!!

I don't even need the blue.

[blankall]

Originally Posted by Pinner

The Bike gangs have been around for a long time and controlled the drug trade without any real threat to uninvolved people. Turf wars for the most part were out of sight and mind and seldom in the paper.

The Blacks, Asians, and South Asians have been shooting up the streets all over North America, thanks to them we all know what a "drive by" is now.

Bikers for the most part are hard workers, good neighbours, and safe to be around.

The drug trade isn't going anywhere as long as there is a demand, I'd like to see the Bikers clean up the trash and get rid of the crack and meth etc.

Wow is this ever an idealized version of the truth.

Bikers kill eachother all the time. They also get heavily involved in prostitution, crack, meth, etc... How many girls have been turned into prostitutes by biker pimp scum.

A criminal is a criminal is a criminal. All of these people are leeches on society.

[Jetsfan]

[frege64]

Crips and bloods (and Latin Kings, BGDs, and the rest) don't wear "colors" anymore. It's not 1991. They're much more sophisticated and have other ways of determining who's in and who's out.

The very idea that a bunch of Sudanese kids would decide to emulate "crips" like those ignorant wannabes in Toronto by dressing all in blue because they learned about the uniform 20 years after the real organized crime groups stopped wearing them is pretty pathetic.

One thing you can say about our FOB/FK "crews" is that they're smart simply because they're invisible, at least as gang members if not as violent d-bags. Being multi-racial groups is smart, too.

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by frege64

Crips and bloods (and Latin Kings, BGDs, and the rest) don't wear "colors" anymore. It's not 1991. They're much more sophisticated and have other ways of determining who's in and who's out.

The very idea that a bunch of Sudanese kids would decide to emulate "crips" like those ignorant wannabes in Toronto by dressing all in blue because they learned about the uniform 20 years after the real organized crime groups stopped wearing them is pretty pathetic.

One thing you can say about our FOB/FK "crews" is that they're smart simply because they're invisible, at least as gang members if not as violent d-bags. Being multi-racial groups is smart, too.

The crips and bloods did not stop wearing colors 20 years ago. Not even close.

[Pinner]

Originally Posted by blankall

Wow is this ever an idealized version of the truth.

Call my opinion what you want but I am not naive.

Originally Posted by blankall

Bikers kill eachother all the time.

As I pointed out they don't do it at noon in front of the mall or by a hail of indiscriminate bullets pointed at a house in the night.

Originally Posted by blankall

They also get heavily involved in prostitution, crack, meth, etc... How many girls have been turned into prostitutes by biker pimp scum.

I did say that I wished they would get rid of the meth and crack, I don't know much about prostitutes but they do say it's the oldest profession, not fair to blame the bikers for that.

Originally Posted by blankall

A criminal is a criminal is a criminal. All of these people are leeches on society.

Fair enough, and like I said, the drug trade isn't going anywhere, but I would rather have it controlled by the bikers, at least they have some honor and leave society in relative peace.

[MJM]

Originally Posted by Bouw N Arrow

There's virtually no reason for gangs to exist in Canada.. if they do exist they're just posing.

These Canadian gang members would **** their pants entering South Phoenix at night, or South Central L.A.

Even the Vietnamese gangs in Canada are a joke.. all those kids come from wealthy families and are usually pretty educated with no reason to have street smarts.

Gang members down here grow up on the street, deal drugs as children and know nothing else.

Go to Jane and Finch park in Toronto and Rexdale and sing that tune. You clearly are talking about something you don't have the slightest clue about.

[MJM]

Originally Posted by Shazam

Compared to huge swaths of LA controlled by gangs, our gang problem is a minor blip.

OUrs are, Toronto's aren't. Their gang problem rivals that of any major American city.

And as someone as already mentioned, the native gang problem on the reservation rivals that of any intercity gang. We just don't hear about it much off the reservation. My wife works in that field, and you'd be blown away with what goes on in a place like Hobema.

[frege64]

Originally Posted by flameswin

The crips and bloods did not stop wearing colors 20 years ago. Not even close.

I never said that- Colors came out in 1990. The point is that this uniform doesn't exist anymore. Nobody is getting murdered at a bus stop for wearing red.

[frege64]

Originally Posted by MJM

OUrs are, Toronto's aren't. Their gang problem rivals that of any major American city.

And as someone as already mentioned, the native gang problem on the reservation rivals that of any intercity gang. We just don't hear about it much off the reservation. My wife works in that field, and you'd be blown away with what goes on in a place like Hobema.

Hobbema is several magnitudes worse than Toronto. Toronto has the lowest violent crime rate of any major city in North America and is also, by a long shot, the safest major city in Canada. Stop posting BS.