Redneck: What exactly is "inappropriate"? If they shared a kiss in the comedy club, would you consider that "inappropriate"?
I would say that making out in front of, and fingering a comedy club performer from the front row is "inappropriate" given the situation..
I see where you're going though.........yeah I personally would find butch lesbians making out in front of me kind of inappropriate. It is their right to do so and I would just walk away..
If they were hot though?.........acceptable.
I caught Andrew Grose (sp?) here in Calgary at Yuk Yuks in the early 90s. Local guy, I'm pretty sure.
Anyway, an older lady - quite well dressed - was giving him the gears, sort of from the back of the room. Andrew says, "Hey, lady, WTF are you doin' giving me a hard time while I'm at work? How'd you like it if I went into the guys' can and kicked dicks out of your mouth while you're at work?"
Pretty harsh, but the room erupted, and the lady kept her mouth shut for the rest of the night.
When this story first broke, Ezra Levant (free speech activist) jumped to Earle's defense. Ezra appears to have a fair number of fundamentalist Christian followers. Anyway, the next time Earle spoke, apparently a good number of Christian 'free speechers' attended the event to give moral support.
I wasn't there, but from one description I read, it was quite the awkward evening.
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I went to a show one time and some guy was heckling the comedian. The comedian started talking to the guy and then did a bit of an insult routine on him and it was hilarious. Even the heckler seemed to enjoy it. Some comedians just know how to deal with it.
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I'm not sure why this is so complicated for you. He provided an example of a situation where someone was explicitly discriminated against for being a native, just like the person you referenced. Read it slowly, you might catch on.
I'm not sure if you are dense or just being obtuse intentionally.
The person I referenced was NOT discriminated against whatsoever. In fact he was kicked out of a bar for being a drunken idiot and harassing his ex wife who was an employee at the bar. The HRC gave the native man many thousands of $$ for being discriminated against.
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Then the poster quoted me and offered his own story of how some guy was allegedly discriminated against. Unfortunately this thread is about how the HRC is a joke, just as my post was.
His post was how discrimination happens to natives. I'm not sure what his point was because no one was debating that stuff like that happens. The point I was making was that this whole case isn't out of the ordinary because the HRC has always been a joke. He may have been trying to say that natives are in fact discriminated against to somehow discredit my example but my example didn't debate the fact that discrimination exists, it was about the HRC being a joke.
Got it now? Next time try reading a little more carefully before you act like an ass.
The real problem with the HRC is that it just duplicates the regular Court but takes away burdan's of proof, the right to confront your accuser and many others.
If a crime was committed then the comedian should be charged criminally. If damages occured then civil courts should provide remedy. The HRC just doesn't serve a purpose.
If someone has the time could they find a good ruling that the HRC has made? Everyone I have seen is just ridiculus.
I'm not sure if you are dense or just being obtuse intentionally.
The person I referenced was NOT discriminated against whatsoever. In fact he was kicked out of a bar for being a drunken idiot and harassing his ex wife who was an employee at the bar. The HRC gave the native man many thousands of $$ for being discriminated against.
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Then the poster quoted me and offered his own story of how some guy was allegedly discriminated against. Unfortunately this thread is about how the HRC is a joke, just as my post was.
His post was how discrimination happens to natives. I'm not sure what his point was because no one was debating that stuff like that happens. The point I was making was that this whole case isn't out of the ordinary because the HRC has always been a joke. He may have been trying to say that natives are in fact discriminated against to somehow discredit my example but my example didn't debate the fact that discrimination exists, it was about the HRC being a joke.
Got it now? Next time try reading a little more carefully before you act like an ass.
I get it now, it's your failure of analytical skills that has caused the issue here.
You showed a situation where a native was thrown out of a bar, he showed that sometimes bars will treat natives behaving in x manner differently than whites behaving in x manner. Do you grasp that? Can you comprehend how that is relative to the discussion and related to your post?
I get it now, it's your failure of analytical skills that has caused the issue here.
You showed a situation where a native was thrown out of a bar, he showed that sometimes bars will treat natives behaving in x manner differently than whites behaving in x manner. Do you grasp that? Can you comprehend how that is relative to the discussion and related to your post?
I understood his story I just don't know why it was relevant. Other than maybe he was trying to somehow use his single example to prove to me that all alleged cases of discrimination must be true just because he saw it happen once. He didn't defend the HRC, he didn't say that discrimination is rampant, he just told a story about alleged discrimination towards natives.
Can you comprehend how not to be an condescending ass when you post? Go back and read my original response to the guy. I said that his post was interesting but that I still think HRCs are total bunk. You are the only one having comprehension problems here.
I have to say that this thread makes me feel discriminated against
Was that Mel Gibson? Guy Earle?
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Philip Pullman, the British author of what is known in North America as the Golden Compass, has recently come under some fire for the title of his latest book "The Good Man Jesus and the Scoundrel Christ". He had this to say about those who may be offended by the title:
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I went to a show one time and some guy was heckling the comedian. The comedian started talking to the guy and then did a bit of an insult routine on him and it was hilarious. Even the heckler seemed to enjoy it. Some comedians just know how to deal with it.
I've seen clever exchanges before like this too, and ya they can be pretty funny sometimes. Usually they're just annoying though and completely derail the show. I just don't like it because it just invites further heckling. You know there's always a couple dummies every time who think they're hilarious and want to get attention and a laugh by shouting something out. I'd rather them just get completely ripped on or simply told to shut up or leave than the comedian and him exchange in a little witty back and forth, otherwise its just gonna keep happening more and more.
Seriously is this what its coming to? People will go to a show, display absolutely no class by interrupting said comedian's show, then when the comedian comes back at them, they take what he said to a human rights tribunal? Too many people think they're way too special these days.
I hadn't heard of this before, but I caught up on it quickly, and I have to say it's nuts. You go to a comedy show, you open your mouth and try to outdo the guy on stage...and you can pretty much expect to get taken down a few notches.
You go to a comedy show, you open your mouth and try to outdo the guy on stage...and you can pretty much expect to get taken down a few notches.
haha, reading the decision Fred posted, thats not exactly what happened, atleast according to the judges(?) view of the evidence presented. That being said, I still think it's a ridiculous decision.
Now that he's been forced to pay a fine, the comedian should accuse the "victim" of violating his rights to free speech and freedom of expression and take her to the human rights tribunal.
haha, reading the decision Fred posted, thats not exactly what happened, atleast according to the judges(?) view of the evidence presented. That being said, I still think it's a ridiculous decision.
I agree and these tribunals are a farce but...
Based on what I've read, here's what happened.
Her story:
The 3 lesbians including a lesbian couple go to a bar and sit on the patio. They come inside because the patio is closing. Server sits them at a booth near the stage. They engage in loud convo with bar staff and amongst themselves. Two lesbians kiss. Comedian goes on hate spewing rant about lesbians.
Patron in the bar story (which the judge dismissed because he didn't believe him because it didn't jive with other evidence):
Lesbians heckle first comedian (not hate spewing rant guy), then hate spewing rant guy comes on stage and engages in a war of words with lesbians about shutting the hell up. They say horrible things back and forth for a while end of story.
Everyone agrees Mr Earle at one point said:
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“Don’t mind the inconsiderate dyke table over there”, “Don’t you have a strap-on you can take your girlfriend home and #### her in the ass tonight?”, and, “Are you on the rag? Is that why you’re such a ####?”
Basically it sounds like this guy attacked them without provocation from them other than the fact that they were talking loudly in a bar and not paying attention to the shows.
Keep in mind this wasn't a comedy club.
Crazy decision though. I don't get why they get special treatment. If this story happens with straight people they get nothing. Talk about a double standard.
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Nothing that should be seen as discrimination based on the context of a comedy show. What else he supposed to do? Look pathetic by asking security to take them out? Ruins the whole illusion of a comedy show.
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As you can see, I'm completely ridiculous.
They were at a bar not a comedy show. They didn't pay to see a comedy show and by all accounts weren't paying attention to a comedy show.
The comedians, as per the decision, were pretty much all a group of friends who used the bar to practice their standup and perform for each other. This was basically an open mic night at a random bar.
By all accounts all these women did was sit there and talk loudly and at one point kiss/make out.
That makes the Earle guy a liar, a dick and possibly a homophobe. However, IMO, it sure as #### doesn't make them worthy of suing him for $20k. That is BS.
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