Four Mounties apparently killed near Mayerthorpe

[MrMastodonFarm]

Originally posted by Mean Mr. Mustard@Mar 4 2005, 06:01 PM

Did you just compare the murder of four police officers to someone throwing a rock at a bus? What the hell is wrong with you.

He didn't do that at all..

[Mean Mr. Mustard]

Originally posted by MrMastodonFarm+Mar 4 2005, 05:25 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (MrMastodonFarm @ Mar 4 2005, 05:25 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Mean Mr. Mustard@Mar 4 2005, 06:01 PM

Did you just compare the murder of four police officers to someone throwing a rock at a bus? What the hell is wrong with you.

He didn't do that at all.. [/b][/quote]
Yes he did, he stated it wasn't a terrorist action and that if it was then someone throwing a rock at a bus would also be a terrorist action... i know that really isn't what he was trying to get across, but he did definantly draw some sort of parallel in my view.

I see what you mean, I just took it the wrong way there.

[Agamemnon]

nm

[Sammie]

Originally posted by FlamesAddiction+Mar 4 2005, 12:34 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (FlamesAddiction @ Mar 4 2005, 12:34 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin-Sammie@Mar 4 2005, 06:16 AM
I'm sure the government will do just a wonderful job! After all, look at the amazing success this government has had after setting up and regulating the gun registry. In spite of spending up to $2 billion on the program they still couldn't keep this scum from getting his hands on a gun!

With this kind of success, how can anyone doubt their ability to regulate illegal drugs?!!!

I don't think you understand what the gun registry is for. It isn't designed as a barrier to stop people from getting guns. If people want them, then they will get them no matter what. The same thing with people who want pot.

It is another tool that police can use to catch criminals. The only people who will go out of their way to own an unregistered gun are those who want to hide the fact they have it because they are involved in other criminal activities. That way, if they have to use their gun for unlawful purposes, it would be harder to trace back to them. This makes it so that if police find an unregistered weapon, they can then have the ability to investigate the person - which most of the time I would imagine pays off.


On the occasion where someone is killed with a registered gun, it makes it easier for police to trace the gun's origin which can help catch the bad guy and prevent him/her from killing another person. Granted, murders with registered guns might be more infrequent, but they will happen. The question is; how much is an innocent human life worth to you? You complain about $2 billion, but I guarenteed that it has had virtually no effect on your life while possibly saving lives in the future. That seems a tad selfish, doesn't it?

To say gun registry is a waste of money because it won't stop people from killing with guns is the same as saying that police are a waste of money because they can't do the job either.[/b][/quote]
I understand EXACTLY what the gun control was set up for. Obviously far better than you. It's a colosal failure. It tells police and government what law-abiding citizens have guns and where they live. It does absolutely nothing about what other scum, like this idiot, and other crooks have weapons.

How does having information about law abiding gun owners benefit the police and government? We wasted between $1 & 2 billion to make sure lawful people have a piece of paper saying they own a rife or a shot gun.

How is this going to stop these senseless killing? How the hell is this "tool" helping police catch scum like this who own unregistered guns? Don't play us for idiots and fools!!! There are thousands people who refuse to register their guns because they don't agree with the governments agenda. They have never killed anybody and they never will.

"To say gun registry is a waste of money because it won't stop people from killing with guns is the same as saying that police are a waste of money because they can't do the job either."

That bit of logic makes about as much sense as a sack full of dead mice!

[Superfraggle]

Originally posted by CaptainCrunch@Mar 4 2005, 12:13 PM


So Grow ops will turn into meth labs, people selling dope will start selling hash, and acid and other things.

And as you get into more hardcore drugs, you start dealing with a way more serious criminal.

This is all very true, and a good point. However, even the drug trade is subject to the laws of supply and demand. I personally don't think the legalization of marijuana would significantly increase the demand for harder drugs (yes, I know the whole entry drug argument, but I don't personally think it will make for a significant change). Without an increase in demand, there just wouldn't be room for all these crackpots to move in. At the least, it would cut out a lot of small time dealers who specialize in pot.

Then again, there's a chance the influx of people into say...the meth trade, for example, might drive up the supply curve and end up lowering prices, causing an increase in meth users. Due to the static nature of the price of getting the ingredients needed to manufacture meth, however, I think my first example is more likely.

[Superfraggle]

Originally posted by Sammie@Mar 4 2005, 06:07 PM
I understand EXACTLY what the gun control was set up for. Obviously far better than you. It's a colosal failure. It tells police and government what law-abiding citizens have guns and where they live. It does absolutely nothing about what other scum, like this idiot, and other crooks have weapons.

How does having information about law abiding gun owners benefit the police and government? We wasted between $1 & 2 billion to make sure lawful people have a piece of paper saying they own a rife or a shot gun.

How is this going to stop these senseless killing? How the hell is this "tool" helping police catch scum like this who own unregistered guns? Don't play us for idiots and fools!!! There are thousands people who refuse to register their guns because they don't agree with the governments agenda. They have never killed anybody and they never will.

"To say gun registry is a waste of money because it won't stop people from killing with guns is the same as saying that police are a waste of money because they can't do the job either."

That bit of logic makes about as much sense as a sack full of dead mice!

ummmm....he did kind of answer those questions in his post if you had bothered to read it a little more closely, rather than immediately dismiss what he had to say and assume you know best.

[Looger]

Originally posted by FlamesAddiction@Mar 4 2005, 04:01 PM
I had a grow-up next door to me in BC and the people in the neighbourhood actually didn't mind. It seems that there is a belief among many that neighbourhoods with a grow-op are actually safer from crime. The reason I heard is that people who steal stuff and break into houses/cars are less likely to do it if they know there is a grow-up around because they know there are people watchin and they wouldn't want to rip anyone off who is affiliated with the grow-op.

I can't say if that is true since it would be hard to find numbers, but I know a lot of people that seem to believe it, and it's one of the reasons people don't rat them out.

i agree, there is that effect on a neighbourhood.

right or wrong it is a strange situation.

of course when you think of the $ value of the crime being committed (embelleished of course by police weighing the entire plants and even the dirt!)...

[MrMastodonFarm]

Originally posted by Mean Mr. Mustard@Mar 4 2005, 06:38 PM
Yes he did, he stated it wasn't a terrorist action and that if it was then someone throwing a rock at a bus would also be a terrorist action... i know that really isn't what he was trying to get across, but he did definantly draw some sort of parallel in my view.

Well if that is what he was doing it is a perfect lesson for you, now you know just how annoying you are when you take this outragous stand on certain issues just for fun.

[the_only_turek_fan]

I just think its a sad sad story.

4 innocent people that have families were killed by some fataing psycho.

My heart truly goes out to the families of the 4 mounties.

I havent read the whole thread, but if marijuana was legal maybe this incident could have been avoided.

I am not saying that is the solution because it isnt. I would not want my kids to go to any strip mall and see a Tim Hortons, Rogers Video, a Liquor Store and a Pot shop.

But keeping it illegal has paved the way for guys like this to grow it, and make millions due to the small supply.

Its a sticky situation, and I really dont know what to think of it.

[MrMastodonFarm]

I havent read the whole thread, but if marijuana was legal maybe this incident could have been avoided.

I don't think this has much to do with pot, if pot was legal the guy who murdered those police officers would still be a nut job and probably would have been doing something else. Making pot legal wouldn't have stop this.

I am not saying that is the solution because it isnt. I would not want my kids to go to any strip mall and see a Tim Hortons, Rogers Video, a Liquor Store and a Pot shop.

I'm a little confused by this. I have no problem with a liquor store beside other stores, and I wouldn't have a problem with a pot store beside a pottery barn. WHy would I worry about that?

[Sammie]

Originally posted by Superfraggle@Mar 4 2005, 07:11 PM
ummmm....he did kind of answer those questions in his post if you had bothered to read it a little more closely, rather than immediately dismiss what he had to say and assume you know best.

Perhaps if you'd read our comments more carefully you would have noticed he said the gun registry was useful to police and I'm say it is totally useless to police.

Do you always accuse people who disagree with you of forcing their opinions on you because they think they know best? I suppose you think YOUR superior opinions should go unchallenged and be accepted as the gospel truth.

[the_only_turek_fan]

Making pot legal wouldn't have stop this.

I havent read the whole story.

But I assume that the mounties were going to bust the guy for growing pot.

If pot was legal then they would have no reason to go and bust him, hence they would not be shot.

If this is not the reason they went up there, then I am sorry I should have read the whole article before I commented on it.

I'm a little confused by this. I have no problem with a liquor store beside other stores, and I wouldn't have a problem with a pot store beside a pottery barn. WHy would I worry about that?

If pot is easily accessible, a lot of young people would be on it, and that would not be a good thing. At least in my opinion.

[MrMastodonFarm]

If pot was legal then they would have no reason to go and bust him, hence they would not be shot.

My point was that pot isn't the reason this guy was insane and shot some police officers. If he wasn't growing pot he would have probably been doing something else illegal. So my point is that I wouldn't blame pot, or this guy growing it.. although this is just an assumption on my part, and can't be proven.

If pot is easily accessible, a lot of young people would be on it, and that would not be a good thing. At least in my opinion.

If pot was easily acessible alot of young people would be on it?

How is that any different from now?

[Sammie]

Originally posted by the_only_turek_fan@Mar 4 2005, 07:27 PM
Making pot legal wouldn't have stop this.

I havent read the whole story.

But I assume that the mounties were going to bust the guy for growing pot.

If pot was legal then they would have no reason to go and bust him, hence they would not be shot.

If this is not the reason they went up there, then I am sorry I should have read the whole article before I commented on it.

I'm a little confused by this. I have no problem with a liquor store beside other stores, and I wouldn't have a problem with a pot store beside a pottery barn. WHy would I worry about that?

If pot is easily accessible, a lot of young people would be on it, and that would not be a good thing. At least in my opinion.

If pot was legal the police would have still been up there to bust a meth lab. Morons, like this idiot, look for the easiest ways (usually illegal) to get their hands on money and they have absolutely no conscience about using and abusing anybody to get what they want.

[the_only_turek_fan]

My point was that pot isn't the reason this guy was insane and shot some police officers. If he wasn't growing pot he would have probably been doing something else illegal. So my point is that I wouldn't blame pot, or this guy growing it.. although this is just an assumption on my part, and can't be proven.


I disagree MMF.

I think that pot is the reason he shot the cops.

The mounties were there to bust him for growing it. He didnt like it, and shot them.

If there is no pot, they dont go up there, and dont get shot.

[MrMastodonFarm]

Originally posted by the_only_turek_fan@Mar 4 2005, 07:35 PM
I disagree MMF.
I think that pot is the reason he shot the cops.
The mounties were there to bust him for growing it. He didnt like it, and shot them.
If there is no pot, they dont go up there, and dont get shot.

I guess you don't understand what I am trying to say. If it wasn't pot, it would have been something else. It's not like if pot wasn't around this guy would have had a clean life working in a bakery.

[metallicat]

The Mounties weren't there just for pot, there was stolen merchandise or stolen auto's or stolen something on the farm as well.

[Sammie]

Originally posted by MrMastodonFarm@Mar 4 2005, 07:30 PM

My point was that pot isn't the reason this guy was insane and shot some police officers. If he wasn't growing pot he would have probably been doing something else illegal. So my point is that I wouldn't blame pot, or this guy growing it.. although this is just an assumption on my part, and can't be proven.

If pot was easily acessible alot of young people would be on it?

How is that any different from now?

According to what I heard reported in the news by neighbors and family members, this guy became especially dangerous and insane whenever he was high. So I wouldn't discount the role drugs played in these killings.

[Agamemnon]

Originally posted by the_only_turek_fan@Mar 5 2005, 01:35 AM
My point was that pot isn't the reason this guy was insane and shot some police officers. If he wasn't growing pot he would have probably been doing something else illegal. So my point is that I wouldn't blame pot, or this guy growing it.. although this is just an assumption on my part, and can't be proven.


I disagree MMF.

I think that pot is the reason he shot the cops.

The mounties were there to bust him for growing it. He didnt like it, and shot them.

If there is no pot, they dont go up there, and dont get shot.

Wasn't it established earlier on that the Mounties were there for stolen property unrelated to the grow op? Or am I mistaken...

edit: beaten to the punch.

[the_only_turek_fan]

Originally posted by MrMastodonFarm+Mar 4 2005, 07:36 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (MrMastodonFarm @ Mar 4 2005, 07:36 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-the_only_turek_fan@Mar 4 2005, 07:35 PM
I disagree MMF.
I think that pot is the reason he shot the cops.
The mounties were there to bust him for growing it. He didnt like it, and shot them.
If there is no pot, they dont go up there, and dont get shot.

I guess you don't understand what I am trying to say. If it wasn't pot, it would have been something else. It's not like if pot wasn't around this guy would have had a clean life working in a bakery. [/b][/quote]
I know what you are saying and you are right, but we cant talk about what could have happened or what might have happened, only what really happened.