R-word - I felt like such a ###### - Ad Discussion

[KTrain]

Originally Posted by Philly06Cup

It comes from the fact that mentally challenged people are inferior to non-mentally challenged people. The same way that, generally speaking, girls are inferior to boys in terms of throwing and blind people are inferior to Seeing people.

Wow. So mentally challenged people are inferior? In what way? Blind people are inferior to seeing people? At least with the girls vs boys comment you said that specified "generally speaking" and "in terms of throwing".

You might want to qualify those statements instead of making sweeping assumptions about an entire group of people.

It's the same as me saying "You are inferior to me".

[Madman]

Originally Posted by KTrain

Blind people are inferior to seeing people?

Yes, mainly in the seeing department.

[Philly06Cup]

Originally Posted by KTrain

Wow. So mentally challenged people are inferior? In what way? Blind people are inferior to seeing people? At least with the girls vs boys comment you said that specified "generally speaking" and "in terms of throwing".

You might want to qualify those statements instead of making sweeping assumptions about an entire group of people.

It's the same as me saying "You are inferior to me".

You really want me to qualify these statement? Those are not at all sweeping assumptions.

[The Yen Man]

Originally Posted by KTrain

Wow. So mentally challenged people are inferior? In what way? Blind people are inferior to seeing people? At least with the girls vs boys comment you said that specified "generally speaking" and "in terms of throwing".

You might want to qualify those statements instead of making sweeping assumptions about an entire group of people.

It's the same as me saying "You are inferior to me".

I'm probably going to get flamed by the political correct people for this for being an insensitive jerk, but here goes:

By definition, what does "mentally challenged" mean? Is it not fair to say that they have a mental deficiency when compared to non-mentally challenged people? Does that not in itself, make them inferior on a mental level?

[KTrain]

Originally Posted by Madman

Yes, mainly in the seeing department.

I was hoping would add that qualifier. The way he's talking they're just generally inferior to "seeing people".

[Gozer]

Originally Posted by KTrain

I was hoping would add that qualifier. The way he's talking they're just generally inferior to "seeing people".

Nice work on avoiding the "cheesy PC" trap that this side of the argument gets accused of being in.

[Philly06Cup]

Originally Posted by KTrain

I was hoping would add that qualifier. The way he's talking they're just generally inferior to "seeing people".

I thought that was implied in my post. Blind people are inferior in the seeing department. Mentally challenged people are inferior in some mental capacity. Obviously some blind people may be more productive members in society than seeing criminals.

To me, I see no inherent different between the words '######' and 'blind.' Yes, they define deficiencies. That does not mean the words are inherently offensive, or that people should be offended by these words.

Next thing, people who can't read will want to outlaw the word illiterate.

[KTrain]

Originally Posted by The Yen Man

I'm probably going to get flamed by the political correct people for this for being an insensitive jerk, but here goes:

By definition, what does "mentally challenged" mean? Is it not fair to say that they have a mental deficiency when compared to non-mentally challenged people? Does that not in itself, make them inferior on a mental level?

I think it's just being too general. It is the same with many of these types of arguments. It is the generalizations that piss people off. Saying that all people of a certain group are this way. And all people of a certain group are that way.

A "mental deficiency" could be any number of things. They're terrible at cognitive processes but incredibly talented artists. They aren't able to be creative but have amazing aptitude for science and math.

It is just the sweeping statements and generalizations that annoy me and make people seem ignorant about what they're trying to talk about.

[4X4]

Originally Posted by Philly06Cup

I thought that was implied in my post. Blind people are inferior in the seeing department. Mentally challenged people are inferior in some mental capacity. Obviously some blind people may be more productive members in society than seeing criminals.

To me, I see no inherent different between the words '######' and 'blind.' Yes, they define deficiencies. That does not mean the words are inherently offensive, or that people should be offended by these words.

Next thing, people who can't read will want to outlaw the word illiterate.

Totally agree. If we're not allowed to call normal people ######ed, are we allowed to call ######ed people ######ed? Or is the word now just officially derogatory? So what's the new word? Mentally challenged?

I'll tell you, if it ever gets to the point where blind and deaf people start bitching about the words blind and deaf, I'm gonna have an aneurysm.

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by troutman

Not a good time for my special olympics joke?

It's always a good time for a special olympic joke.

What's better than winning gold at the special olympics?........... Not being an intellectually disabled person.

Damn, that joke doesn't sound as good when you have to be politically correct.

[Gozer]

Originally Posted by KTrain

I think it's just being too general. It is the same with many of these types of arguments. It is the generalizations that piss people off.

What "types" of arguments?! Are you saying all arguments against censorship are intolerant? Or everything Yen Men says is intolerant?

[Gozer]

Originally Posted by 4X4

I'm gonna have an aneurysm.

You can't just go around flippantly using terms like that.

[fatso]

only 5 pages in 'til the slippery slope argument came up! If sheep collectively change their name to 'furry tasty hill-dwellers' 4X4 will have an aneurysm!

What is the point of these analogies to girls and the blind? Discrimination of all kinds is wrong, but also typically of difference force and effects.

The specific topic here is about '######' and it's use in the ad. A good, interesting thread is being derailed by paranoia about the p.c. movement.

Lesson of the day for me: it's really important for some people to be able to call other people '######'. Like, really important.

[KTrain]

Originally Posted by 4X4

Totally agree. If we're not allowed to call normal people ######ed, are we allowed to call ######ed people ######ed? Or is the word now just officially derogatory? So what's the new word? Mentally challenged?

I'll tell you, if it ever gets to the point where blind and deaf people start bitching about the words blind and deaf, I'm gonna have an aneurysm.

I'm not trying to be overly politically correct. The word ######, in the context of calling anyone a ######, is offensive to me. I worked at a non-profit for almost 6 years where a significant portion of the clientele had developmental disabilities (mental and/or physical). I've seen how hurtful that word is to those people and their friends and family.

Before I worked there I was probably in the same boat as many of you. I even dropped it a couple times while at that job (that didn't go over very well).

All I'm saying, is the word is derogatory now. It hasn't reached the level of n****r or f****T but it will. The meaning behind some words change overtime. It's a fact. Just because we don't want to stop using the words, doesn't mean we shouldn't.

[Madman]

Originally Posted by 4X4

I'll tell you, if it ever gets to the point where blind and deaf people start bitching about the words blind and deaf, I'm gonna have an aneurysm.

At least you can spell aneurysm, I'm ######ed.

https://forum.calgarypuck.com/showthread.php?p=1722602

[4X4]

Originally Posted by fatso

only 5 pages in 'til the slippery slope argument came up! If sheep collectively change their name to 'furry tasty hill-dwellers' 4X4 will have an aneurysm!

What is the point of these analogies to girls and the blind? Discrimination of all kinds is wrong, but also typically of difference force and effects.

The specific topic here is about '######' and it's use in the ad. A good, interesting thread is being derailed by paranoia about the p.c. movement.

Lesson of the day for me: it's really important for some people to be able to call other people '######'. Like, really important.

Lol. What a post. Ugh.

Originally Posted by KTrain

I'm not trying to be overly politically correct. The word ######, in the context of calling anyone a ######, is offensive to me. I worked at a non-profit for almost 6 years where a significant portion of the clientele had developmental disabilities (mental and/or physical). I've seen how hurtful that word is to those people and their friends and family.

Before I worked there I was probably in the same boat as many of you. I even dropped it a couple times while at that job (that didn't go over very well).

All I'm saying, is the word is derogatory now. It hasn't reached the level of n****r or f****T but it will. The meaning behind some words change overtime. It's a fact. Just because we don't want to stop using the words, doesn't mean we shouldn't.

Best post in this thread. An actual, well thought out post that may have swayed me a little bit.

[Burninator]

Originally Posted by Philly06Cup

To me, I see no inherent different between the words '######' and 'blind.' Yes, they define deficiencies. That does not mean the words are inherently offensive, or that people should be offended by these words.

Next thing, people who can't read will want to outlaw the word illiterate.

That's an awful analogy. Blindness and mental disabilities are physical issues, literacy is not.

[fatso]

Originally Posted by 4X4

Lol. What a post. Ugh.

Ha ha... this coming from a guy whose minimal contributions to this thread consisted of unfunny drive-by quips? What a joke. By all means, disagree with me all you want... I don't doubt I'm wrong about a lot of things, especially when I haven't fully thought them through. At least I engaged the thread and made some kind of effort to keep it on track in addition to my one poor attempt at sarcasm.

Best post in this thread. An actual, well thought out post that may have swayed me a little bit.

Agreed.

[mikey_the_redneck]

I think what we are all forgetting here is that,......calling normal people a ###### is good ol' fashioned fun.

[Swarly]

Originally Posted by Burninator

That's an awful analogy. Blindness and mental disabilities are physical issues, literacy is not.

ya, illiteracy isnt a disability like being fat is.