CF-18s intercept Russian Bomber

[SeeBass]

^^^to be fair there was a camp but not even close to the extremes that the Japanese had.

[Dynamic]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

Well now that a Chinese Admiral stated that since they have 20% of the worlds population its irrelevant that they don't have an arctic coast line, they should be given 20% of the Arctic resource area.

Well with that reasoning they are entitled to 20% of just about anything no matter where it is. I would love to meet this admiral turd and find out what makes him tick.

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by SeeBass

A large amount of Italians came around the same time as the Japanese immigrants but I never saw an Italian camp either?

to be really honest, there was a greater fear of the Japanese because of their threat to the Pacific, their fanaticism and single minded loyalty to the Emperor, and absolutely racism against the Japanese people.

Its funny because during WWII or at least the first half, there was a lot of military to military respect for the German Military. The Italian's were seen as an absolute joke especially after their military adventures in Ethiopia.

The Japanese were a different animal. They were incredibly brutal, ruthless, and cruel. The attack on pearl harbor was considered to be an absolute stab in the back, but it also illustrated that Japan had the capability to strike at the West Coast. Neither the German's nor Italians did that.

While it was felt that eventually the German's would be able to be negotiated with, and the German's losing the war was seen as somewhat inevitable. The same wasn't felt about the Japanese.

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by Dynamic

Well with that reasoning they are entitled to 20% of just about anything no matter where it is. I would love to meet this admiral turd and find out what makes him tick.

I don't think he said anything that the Chinese Government isn't thinking.

To me the Chinese has a stellar case of middle kingdom syndrome.

[tjinaz]

If the Russians do attack what does America do with Afghanistan and Iraq? Do they just pull everyone out and head up north?

I think the better question would be, why would the Russians attack Canada when they have very large combat experienced formations so close to their border? If they went after Canada the NATO forces in Afganistan would just extend operations a little further north and start wreaking havoc in South Eastern Russia.

Of all the times to not tangle with the US/Nato this is one of them. Think of all the combat tested troops from A-Stan and Iraq available to join the effort.

[Azure]

Originally Posted by tjinaz

I think the better question would be, why would the Russians attack Canada when they have very large combat experienced formations so close to their border? If they went after Canada the NATO forces in Afganistan would just extend operations a little further north and start wreaking havoc in South Eastern Russia.

Of all the times to not tangle with the US/Nato this is one of them. Think of all the combat tested troops from A-Stan and Iraq available to join the effort.

Which is something a lot of people forget. A lot of US/Canadian troops have spent time in Iraq/Afghanistan in real combat. How many Russians can say the same?

You can have the best training in the world, but it means absolutely nothing until you are out in the field in an actual real life operation. And the US/Canada have guys that have gone back to Iraq/Afghanistan 3-4 times.

You can't buy that kind of experience.

[PIMking]

Originally Posted by Day Tripper

The following line of logic has always seemed silly to me...we'll use the Japanese for example.

We are in a war against the Japanese...their government attacked us, so they're obviously bad. Since the Japanese government is bad, anyone of Japanese descent is bad and must be put in internment camps because they might be spies!

Interesting that Americans and Canadians of German descent weren't locked away during WWII. I imagine it's because they're not a visible minority, or even a minority at all.

Plenty of Germans went back to Germany to fight during WW2. I know in the town I lived in Iowa about 1/3 of the streets were renamed in late 30's because of it.

Someone like me that has dual citizenship (germany, USA) I would fight for both countries if need be. I actually tried to sign up for the American army but with a medical issues they wouldn't let me.

But like someone else said. The German population wasn't a minority per say like the Japanese during ww2 in the USA. Also A lot of Germans took to the American Ideals and wanted to be Americans.

[peter12]

Originally Posted by tjinaz

I think the better question would be, why would the Russians attack Canada when they have very large combat experienced formations so close to their border? If they went after Canada the NATO forces in Afganistan would just extend operations a little further north and start wreaking havoc in South Eastern Russia.

Of all the times to not tangle with the US/Nato this is one of them. Think of all the combat tested troops from A-Stan and Iraq available to join the effort.

Except that all of our forces are low on munitions and servicable equipment.

Let's not kid ourselves. The real deterrent to the Russians or any other aggressive nation is the massive American carrier fleet that can exert the vast extent of American airpower anywhere on the planet within 24 hours.

[PIMking]

Originally Posted by Azure

Which is something a lot of people forget. A lot of US/Canadian troops have spent time in Iraq/Afghanistan in real combat. How many Russians can say the same?

You can have the best training in the world, but it means absolutely nothing until you are out in the field in an actual real life operation. And the US/Canada have guys that have gone back to Iraq/Afghanistan 3-4 times.

You can't buy that kind of experience.

The Fiance's cousin is a Captain in the US Army (west point grad) Apache Pilot that did 3 tours in Iraq and one in Afghanistan. He is now home and I would be willing to bet that he would be all over the Ruskies if this happened.

[tjinaz]

Except that all of our forces are low on munitions and servicable equipment.

I find that very hard to believe. With the draw down in Iraq all the logistics has been redirected to A-Stan

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by tjinaz

I find that very hard to believe. With the draw down in Iraq all the logistics has been redirected to A-Stan

The question is how you would re-supply those troops.

Even a day of wartime operations takes a mountain full of fuel, ammo, food and water. The only way to get that stuff there in sufficient quantities is by sea, airlift wouldn't keep up. The Russians still have a formidable fleet of subs, and their naval aviation is nothing to laugh about.

Plus if you invade Russia you run into the same problem as the German's and the French, Russia's best defense is trading land and space sucking you in until they can gather all their forces in one solid ball removing thrust.

The Russians still have one of the largest land armies on the planet.

Even if the Russians sent 3 or 4 of their motoriized infantry divisions backed up by air power and artillery they'd still have what? Several hundred divisions left in reserve to fight off an invasion.

[Rjcsjc62]

Originally Posted by Joborule

All we need to do is to build a base up in the arctic, teach polar bears how to fly bombers, and then Canadian sovereignty is a guarantee. Those Russians will be flying back home before they finsh crossing the ocean.

Bears can be useful!

I too support the right to keep and arm bears.

[nik-]

I would definitely be committing war crimes if they set foot in our country.

[stang]

If the Russians DID invade Canada... Wonder what the General Public would do....

I think I would fight.... I dont own many guns but I make a mean Moltov Cocktail (well I never actually made one but I think I have the jist of how to do it...)

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by stang

If the Russians DID invade Canada... Wonder what the General Public would do....

I think I would fight.... I dont own many guns but I make a mean Moltov Cocktail (well I never actually made one but I think I have the jist of how to do it...)

Back in the day, we used to joke about that.

The key strategy for the Russians would be to not cut cable T.V.

And bring their own beer, if they touched ours it would be war without end.

[tjinaz]

If the Russians DID invade Canada... Wonder what the General Public would do....

Vancouver would immediately surrender and begin protesting their new Russian masters.

[sa226]

Originally Posted by tjinaz

I think the better question would be, why would the Russians attack Canada when they have very large combat experienced formations so close to their border? If they went after Canada the NATO forces in Afganistan would just extend operations a little further north and start wreaking havoc in South Eastern Russia.

Of all the times to not tangle with the US/Nato this is one of them. Think of all the combat tested troops from A-Stan and Iraq available to join the effort.

If I am remembering correctly, that was part of the effectiveness of the first Iraq war and Desert Storm. At that time there was a large collection of NATO personnel already stationed close by because of cold war tensions.

The speed at which they deployed to Iraq was a fraction of what it would have been had they come from the US.

[Hack&Lube]

Originally Posted by sa226

If I am remembering correctly, that was part of the effectiveness of the first Iraq war and Desert Storm. At that time there was a large collection of NATO personnel already stationed close by because of cold war tensions.

The speed at which they deployed to Iraq was a fraction of what it would have been had they come from the US.

And this is why garbage games and garbage movies like Modern Warfare 2, World in Conflict, and Red Dawn cannot happen.

[HPLovecraft]

Originally Posted by Hack&Lube

And this is why garbage games and garbage movies like Modern Warfare 2, World in Conflict, and Red Dawn cannot happen.

They're not garbage games and garbage movies. They're games and movies.

[Hammertime]

They're still pissed we spanked them at the Olympics..