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MJK · 08-20-2008, 10:03 PM

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Originally Posted by photon

What's the difference between arguing and discussing? Probably only the amount of yelling involved

That's not a very nice way to treat people... People aren't a resource to be drawn on for your entertainment. If you want to find something out about someone you usually have to return the favour

Huh? It happens all the time. Ever take a survey?

SebC · 08-20-2008, 10:04 PM

The guys who think these are made by aliens tend to predict which ones they'll see next (they have websites for that), the guys who make them get their designs from there, and then the believers freak out. Pretty funny that they haven't figured it out yet (although the dollars in damage the vandals cause is not funny).

photon · 08-20-2008, 10:06 PM

That's fine if you say you are conducting a survey. But a thread is a discussion.

You're not a troll, but as jammies pointed out it's trollish behaviour.

sadora · 08-20-2008, 10:20 PM

The way I see it, if it really was aliens wanting to communicate couldn't they find a better, less damaging way to do it?
Either that or there really are some little green aliens with a weird sense of humor out on a drunken binge saying..."watch me make these humans flip out."

MJK · 08-20-2008, 10:22 PM

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Originally Posted by photon

That's fine if you say you are conducting a survey. But a thread is a discussion.

You're not a troll, but as jammies pointed out it's trollish behaviour.

"I would agree that real evidence is lacking. I'm not a believer that Aliens or UFO's created thses things. The vast majority IMO are man made, still the unxeplained ones have me curious."

Didn't I already agree to what Dion had written? These are my sentiments exactly. I could list a number of different things that might be causing it but I am not that naive to think that one of those is the cause for sure! It could be anything. Like I said, I have a hunch but it isn't something that hasn't been covered before. It's just what I think and it really doesn't matter now.

V · 08-20-2008, 10:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Dion

Many other artists gradually began making circles of greater and greater complexity. Most notably, a group called 'The Circlemakers' have made various intricate patterns, including a recent portrait of Richard and Judy of UK TV fame.

Really? These guys are artists, and the best name they could come up with for themselves was "The Circlemakers"?? That's about as weak as my wrestling name of "The Dude" when I was 12.

MJK · 08-20-2008, 10:31 PM

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Originally Posted by V

Really? These guys are artists, and the best name they could come up with for themselves was "The Circlemakers"?? That's about as weak as my wrestling name of "The Dude" when I was 12.

I was in a tag team called "The Spikers"...

Dion · 08-20-2008, 10:31 PM

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Originally Posted by photon

That's not a very nice way to treat people... People aren't a resource to be drawn on for your entertainment. If you want to find something out about someone you usually have to return the favour

Thanks photon! I'm going to use that quote when the Mormons and JW's come to my door.

They always want to shove thier religon down my throat but never give me a chance to refute thier beliefs.

Fozzie_DeBear · 08-20-2008, 10:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Jayems

I say find me a field that hasn't been driven on by farm equipment and still has crops, then i'll be even more impressed.

So crop circles can only exist in farmers fields, not in any meadow or place where grasses grow naturally?

Of COURSE...that makes total sense

If these were natural phenomena (like magnetic fields etc.) they would be occurring elsewhere, and if they were non-human in origin you would have to say that for some reason the only canvasses that these googly-eyed vandals like are farmers fields with tire tracks that always intersect the image.

Seems illogical to me...

On the other hand...I also have to ask myself that, over the history of man, that not even 1 UFO sighting is true (true=intelligent extra-terrestrial origin)? I gotta believe that not every single sighting is false...

So the evidence for crop circles is weak IMO, but I do think that life does exist elsewhere...

Thor · 08-20-2008, 10:56 PM

I think the difficulty is that often 'skeptics' which is a dirty word and improperly understood or rationalists are often painted with a very cold brush... We are party poopers to some.

The thing is, most of us who use reason, logic, science, etc.. We love the unknown, we love the possibility of discovery and learning something new. We are very much open to possibilities, much more so than most.

The only difference is we look at the situation, see if there is any logical validity to the argument and go from there. It is our premise that evidence is key and that without it wild ideas on what it could be has little merit.

If I said unicorns make crop circles, people would scoff at me. If someone says aliens, you get a much better response. Why? Well its obvious, some people wish things to be true and therefore give it validity and power.

Skeptics are not the debbie downers, we are just the part of society that reminds us not to get carried away with crop circles, bigfoot, loch ness, ghosts, psychics, gods, etc..

Doesn't mean we dont have imaginations and are open to ideas, we just dismiss ones we've rationally deemed to be something not only unlikely but ridiculous at times. I'm certainly open to ideas that would explain crop circles without human involvement, but of all these years of them happening, nothing would give me reason to.

Don't hate the skeptic, we are just the cold water to remind people not to get carried away.

Rhettzky · 08-20-2008, 11:04 PM

I can't get why it would be aliens in the first place. Do you really think they fly light years to get here and then form some crappy patterns and take off? It sure isn't from their landing space crafts because it would be a hell of a design flaw to have landing gears shaped like some of those things and expect to explore the galaxy but only be able to land on a completely flat surface about an acre in size. And if they are doing it for shats and giggles then they are more sadistic than I could ever of imagined.

Bagor · 08-20-2008, 11:07 PM

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Originally Posted by sadora

The way I see it, if it really was aliens wanting to communicate couldn't they find a better, less damaging way to do it?

Maybe their tractors just don't have radios?

FlamesAddiction · 08-21-2008, 07:33 PM

My take on crop circle....

Some are made naturally by weather anomalies. These are rare though and only make the plain circles.

The rest are made by humans. My theory is that there are underground clubs where they plot out the circles and maybe even have competitions with other circle makers.

Think of them as nerdy graffiti artists.

Burninator · 08-21-2008, 08:22 PM

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Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

The rest are made by humans. My theory is that there are underground clubs where they plot out the circles and maybe even have competitions with other circle makers.

Think of them as nerdy graffiti artists.

Not as underground as you think.

http://www.circlemakers.org/

Ford Prefect · 08-21-2008, 08:55 PM

Meh ... aliens, hoaxers, or whoever, they'd better have an immunity to "repercussions" if my sister, brother-in-law or brother ever catch them destroying some of their crop. Especially if it's hoaxers, which is the probable case. The sound of a 12 gauge being racked in the dark of the night is a chilling sound, even for aliens.

RougeUnderoos · 08-21-2008, 09:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Ford Prefect

Meh ... aliens, hoaxers, or whoever, they'd better have an immunity to "repercussions" if my sister, brother-in-law or brother ever catch them destroying some of their crop. Especially if it's hoaxers, which is the probable case. The sound of a 12 gauge being racked in the dark of the night is a chilling sound, even for aliens.

The people who do this (in England) make their names and faces public. They even sell merchandise on their website. My guess is Farmer Jones gets paid a few bucks to sleep soundly while this is all going on.

Ford Prefect · 08-21-2008, 11:33 PM

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Originally Posted by RougeUnderoos

The people who do this (in England) make their names and faces public. They even sell merchandise on their website. My guess is Farmer Jones gets paid a few bucks to sleep soundly while this is all going on.

Well as long as Farmer Jones gets his cut that's cool. It's tough to make a living farming off just government subsidies. (That should be in green text.)

Jayems · 08-21-2008, 11:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Fozzie_DeBear

So crop circles can only exist in farmers fields, not in any meadow or place where grasses grow naturally?

Of COURSE...that makes total sense

If these were natural phenomena (like magnetic fields etc.) they would be occurring elsewhere, and if they were non-human in origin you would have to say that for some reason the only canvasses that these googly-eyed vandals like are farmers fields with tire tracks that always intersect the image.

Seems illogical to me...

On the other hand...I also have to ask myself that, over the history of man, that not even 1 UFO sighting is true (true=intelligent extra-terrestrial origin)? I gotta believe that not every single sighting is false...

So the evidence for crop circles is weak IMO, but I do think that life does exist elsewhere...

Well sure, but when was the last time wild grass was called a 'crop'

Although that's just semantics.