Scott McLellan blows whistle loudest

[RougeUnderoos]

Originally Posted by HOZ

Now I am sure you don't even read my replies to you. I have no idea how you could have and then say this, "Why you don't believe him is beyond me. I'm sure you did when he was on the government payroll."

I thought we were talking about Olbermann being possibly the same as O'Reilly and how I am not surprised that it happened at FOX (and other networks) since these sort of things have been going on for more than a century.

It's pretty clear by the rest of that paragraph exactly who I was talking about. Read it again.

The former press secretary (aka "credible") of the sitting government tells us that a mainstream, functioning media outlet is being used as a propaganda tool by the sitting government. This is not normal and it is not the way things are supposed to be done. If you think this is normal or acceptable, you are wrong. If you think it is the way things have always been done, you are wrong. It is unethical and goes against pretty much every rule in the book.

That's it. If you don't believe it, fine, there's nothing else I can say. You are either too cynical to see straight or you simply don't know how journalism is supposed to be done.

[Gozer]

Originally Posted by AnarChrist

I would take that bet as well. The Democrats don't seem to be able to agree anything amongst themselves and get on a unified message, so how could them manage a series of talking points and feed them to the media. If they were doing such a thing, you would hear the same story in the same words across the varying forms of media like you do with the conservative sources.

*snicker*

"We can't drill our way out of this." Senator Richard Durbin (D-IL), US Senate, Party Whip, 5/13/2008.
"We can't drill our way out of this." Representative Debbie Wasserman Schultz (D-FL), US House of Representatives, roughly 5/23/2008 on FBC's Cavuto On Business.
"We can't drill our way out of this." Senator Harry Reid (D-NV), US Senate, Majority Leader, 6/10/2008.
"We can't drill our way out of this." Representative Nancy Pelosi (D-CA), US House of Representatives, Speaker of the House, 6/12/2008.
"We can't drill our way out of this." Senator Patty Murray (D-WA), US Senate, 6/13/2008.
"We can't drill our way out of this." Senator Barack Obama (D-IL), US Senate, 2008 Democrat Nominee for President of the United States, 6/13/2008.
"We can't drill our way out of this." Senator Byron Dorgan (D-ND), US Senate, 6/15/2008 on FNC's Fox News Sunday.
"We can't drill our way out of this." Representative Adam Schiff (D-CA), US House of Representatives, 6/16/2008 on FNC's Hannity & Colmes.
"We can't drill our way out of this." Bob Beckel, Liberal political commentator, 6/17/2008 on FNC's Fox and Friends.
These are not the drillings droids you're looking for.

[HOZ]

Originally Posted by RougeUnderoos

It's pretty clear by the rest of that paragraph exactly who I was talking about. Read it again.

The former press secretary (aka "credible") of the sitting government tells us that a mainstream, functioning media outlet is being used as a propaganda tool by the sitting government. This is not normal and it is not the way things are supposed to be done. If you think this is normal or acceptable, you are wrong. If you think it is the way things have always been done, you are wrong. It is unethical and goes against pretty much every rule in the book.

That's it. If you don't believe it, fine, there's nothing else I can say. You are either too cynical to see straight or you simply don't know how journalism is supposed to be done.

And you have sadly mistaken Punditry for Journalism. One more time Rouge....

And what if O'Reilly and Hannity agreed with what the Bush Administration was saying....doesn't it then make it THEIR opinion? Even if they are more strident than the administration?

[Vulcan]

Originally Posted by HOZ

And you have sadly mistaken Punditry for Journalism. One more time Rouge....

And what if O'Reilly and Hannity agreed with what the Bush Administration was saying....doesn't it then make it THEIR opinion? Even if they are more strident than the administration?

Fox News has Journalism?

[JimmytheT]

Originally Posted by RougeUnderoos

Until someone from the Democratic Party comes out and says "we sent Keith stuff to say and he said it as if they were his own words", I'll give him the benefit of the doubt.



I'm not going to pretend I know what goes on in these big fancy news joints, but I'm sure the Republicans/Bush administration do send their version of the story to MSNBC.

In the parlance of the interwebs, it would be an "epic fail" if they ignored any major news outlet.

I actually saw an episode of COuntdown last year where Olbermann came down hard with very heavy criticism with respect to the recently elected Democratic house and senate majority for not delivering on campaign promises. He came down hard on a Nancy Pelosi statement.

I'm no Olbermann fan and have only seen Countdown about a half-dozen times. That being said Olbermann is clearly biased towards the Democrats and I do not think he would deny it. I'll also give him the benefit of the doubt given that no evidence has surfaced that would suggest it as such, coupled witht the fact that he has given Democrats s**t on rare occasions

[Calgaryborn]

5 pages and no one has mentioned that Scott McLellan promptly went on Fox and denied any knowledge of Fox using the white house's talking points.

Perhaps his lawyer suggested that he would lose more money in law suits than he is gaining from this ex-poser for his book if he didn't recant.

Again I would never deny Fox has a pronounced Republican bias. No rational person would deny that.

[HOZ]

Originally Posted by Calgaryborn

5 pages and no one has mentioned that Scott McLellan promptly went on Fox and denied any knowledge of Fox using the white house's talking points.

Perhaps his lawyer suggested that he would lose more money in law suits than he is gaining from this ex-poser for his book if he didn't recant.

Again I would never deny Fox has a pronounced Republican bias. No rational person would deny that.

1. I had no knowledge of that, though it is interesting.

2. It doesn't make a difference to me. All these pundits are political junkies and they all take some of their talking points from the 2 parties from time to time. I just thought is laughable that someone would agree that political parties send their talking points to all the news networks (to be ignored of course) but give the benefit of the doubt to one Pundit.

3. People continually confuse opinion with news.