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Old 08-29-2007, 03:04 PM   #81
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I don't know what he's really arguing here. Is he saying Vick and Vick alone is being punished too heavily for the crime? Because he loses $75m+ does that mean he's being punished more than someone in the same situation who is losing $60k? To me it's just a different factor with the same result: an individual is getting punished resulting in the lose of opportunity to earn $____ for ___ amount of time.

In fact I'd argue Vick who has made millions* over a number of years is in a better position than a guy in his same legal situation making $30k a year.

*I'm assuming he has managed his money correctly and hasn't just lost it all. I'm assuming in a couple of years when he's out of jail he'll still have millions invested.
Yes, Vick invested in a number of small businesses including a dog kennel in Georgia.

I think you make a valid point, if I understand you correctly, that it's all a matter of scale. I don't think Easterbrook would argue with you on that point. However, I think his point is that in reality the punishment he's facing (or that anyone in that situation would be facing) is much greater than simply 12 months in jail. There are more ramifications for a convicted person than simply losing one's liberty (which is huge in its own right). The punishment in this case, at least according to Easterbrook, doesn't fit the crime especially when you consider the moral ambiguities at play that he does an excellent job of outlining.
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Old 08-29-2007, 03:45 PM   #82
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Vick deserves to be banned from the NFL for life for running an illegal gambling ring. Others can point out that the food we eat is killed using similar methods as to what Vick used to destroy his dogs all they want. The big picture is that dog fighting is used exclusively as a venue for illegal gambling. Not only did Vick finance the dog fighting operation. He also finanaced an illegal gambling ring that was betting on the dog fighting. There are obvious reasons why the NFL should not tollerate such activity. It is also a breach of his player contract.
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Old 11-19-2007, 06:31 PM   #83
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http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3119025

Vick turned himself in today and has begun serving his sentence three weeks prior to his actual sentencing.
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Old 11-19-2007, 11:34 PM   #84
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Wonder if he'll get two to one credit for his pre-time in remand?

Do you think that Vick is going to form a football team to take on those mean guards. Maybe they can find some old coot serving 20 years for a crime that he didn't commit to act as the kindly equipment manager.
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Old 11-20-2007, 02:25 PM   #85
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Vick turned himself in today and has begun serving his sentence three weeks prior to his actual sentencing.

I was wondering about the timing. If he gets 12 months then how many does he actually serve? When does he pop out of jail. Does the NFL let him right back in after a 12 month term? IF he is thinking of returning to the NFL when would be the earliest he could expect to be back?
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Old 11-22-2007, 03:44 PM   #86
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Wonder if he'll get two to one credit for his pre-time in remand?

Do you think that Vick is going to form a football team to take on those mean guards. Maybe they can find some old coot serving 20 years for a crime that he didn't commit to act as the kindly equipment manager.
Maybe that will be on ESPN.
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