Pedestrian LRT Fatality today (Old thread bumped for update)

[Cowperson]

Originally Posted by philip1985

At first when I heard this story I was shocked that someone could push another human being into a train. After getting more information about his lifestyle it is getting harder and harder for me to feel sorry for him. It just seems the media and his friends are making him out to be a saint, when in reality that is not the case at all.

It's always remarkable how a lifelong lowlife is eulogized as a saint in post-mortem comments from friends and family . . . . . hence the saying, "don't speak ill of the dead."

Happens all the time, probably every day somewhere in North America. And its nothing new.

There was a guy in my high school a million years ago who was pretty much despised by most as a career, sadistic bully with apparently no particular value to society beyond digging ditches for the county . . . . . . a few years after graduation I learned he'd died a lonely death when his truck rolled over on a gravel road. My first, instant reaction was "GOOD!!" More than 20 years later, that's still the only reaction I can think of.

Guys like the subject of this thread will have their champions but, broadly, most of society is likely looking at his history and privately thinking, "Good riddance."

Jumping an innocent young lady in a mob-mentality scene right out of a psychology textbook doesn't recommend his friends and family very well either.

Cowperson

[Burninator]

I saw some of the people gathered at the memorial yesterday around 4:30. Now fortunately, I have never been part of a memorial for a death like that, so I am not really sure what it's suppose to be like. But this one had a weird atmosphere around it. There were some people pouring beer on the sidewalk, some where putting down flowers and having a moment to their selves, but most where just hanging out, laughing and joking around. I thought it would have been a more somber occasion. Not a bunch of people drinking on the sidewalk, but to each their own.

Then I woke up this morning and saw that they had assaulted some women meeting a vague description of the alleged, and I lost even more sympathy for them. The more details that are arising are not painting the original picture, and are putting things in a darker light.

[ikaris]

nmd..

[ricoFlame]

every native-looking young woman in the city must be feeling vulnerable right now. that was nuts last night. strange situation. pretty darn unfair for that gal and anyone else who feels unsafe because of that outburst.

[urban1]

just like car loads of black youths in calgary these days.

Originally Posted by ricoFlame

every native-looking young woman in the city must be feeling vulnerable right now. that was nuts last night. strange situation. pretty darn unfair for that gal and anyone else who feels unsafe because of that outburst.

[Muta]

Originally Posted by urban1

just like car loads of black youths in calgary these days.

Ummm..... what?

[ricoFlame]

Originally Posted by Muta

Ummm..... what?

he's refering to the recent crimes in calgary committed by a group of black males (random stabbings and pepper spraying robbery's).

[MissKat]

Originally Posted by flameswin

Basically, his body hit the first car and started kind of rolling along it (witnesses said they heard something that sounded like gunshots, the cop then told me this was the sounds of his bones breaking .) He then fell between the first car and the second car, and 'corkscewed' between the cars. It sounded like a mess, but he said there was actually no blood, as his body hadn't 'split open' anywhere.

Umm my brother was on the train where he got ran over and he can confirm that there was blood splattered all over the train windows and doors. Also I had another friend who actually saw it from outside as he was crossing the street and said that his lower body was lying on one side of the street and then later found out he was decapitated.

[Burninator]

The girl that was wrongly accused and attacked, speaks out.

"I thought I was going to get killed," Wolf Child said Monday. "It was like a mob."

After she was taken for questioning, police drove her home and walked her to the door to make sure she was OK.

Wolf Child, who lives downtown, has been afraid to leave her home, and has had headaches and trouble sleeping.

"It was really embarrassing. I'm disappointed that this happened to me. Now I feel like I have to watch my back."

While her anger toward the group that falsely accused her is fading, she said she won't forget that day and carries a clipping from a newspaper article on the incident in her pocket.

http://www.canada.com/calgaryherald/...3ac920&k=78061

[lifer]

http://ca.news.yahoo.com/s/28082007/...in-s-path.html
They caught the girl in Edmonton. She may be one of the stupidest people on earth. If you are wanted for killing somebody, why the hell would you do something so petty, as vandalize property, that will attract attention of the authorities?

Natalie Michelle Pasqua was arrested Sunday at an Edmonton residence and taken into custody without incident following a complaint that someone was spraying graffiti on a building, Calgary police said Monday...
...After Calgary investigators arrived later that day, police said she was charged with second-degree murder in connection to the incident at a Calgary train platform where Gage Jeffery Prevost was pushed under a train during an altercation.

I'm glad she's caught, but shocked by her stupidity. What an idiot.

[J pold]

She mine as well have spray painted “it was me!” on the wall

[Boblobla]

BREAKING NEWS: Prevost conviction overturned


http://calgary.ctv.ca/servlet/an/loc...ub=CalgaryHome

The Alberta Court of Appeals has ordered a new trial for Natalie Pasqua, the woman convicted of pushing 17-year-old Gage Prevost to his death from a downtown LRT platform.

Pasqua was convicted by a jury of second degree murder in February 2008 and was sentenced to life in prison with no chance of parole for a minimum of 12 years.
Three judges from the Court of Appeals overturned the decision and released their decision on Monday saying that:
"The trial judge erred in admitting the rebuttal evidence of the detective. It was collateral, prejudicial and incorrect. The error was compounded by the trial judge's refusal to admit the appellant's statements to the police. We conclude that, read as a whole, the instructions to the jury were unfair and unbalanced, and in particular, failed to adequately link the evidence to the appellant's main defense that this was an accident."
"The combination of errors is serious and resulted in an unfair trial. This was a miscarriage of justice which cannot be saved by (a section) of the Criminal Code. The appeal is allowed. We set aside the conviction and order a new trial."

Gage Prevost died Aug. 1, 2007, at the 8th Street S.W. LRT platform, when he got in a fight with Pasqua over drugs.

Pasqua claimed that Prevost pushed her first from the platform onto the tracks.
She then remounted the platform and pushed Prevost back.
The young man fell between two LRT cars and was crushed to death between the train and the platform.
Pasqua's lawyer, Christopher Nowlin, appealed her conviction arguing that pertinent evidence was never heard at the trial and that Justice J.D. Rooke's instructions to the jury were not fair or balanced.

Natalie Pasqua has maintained that the incident was an accident and that she did not intend to kill Prevost.

[burn_this_city]

Despite what everyone thinks about the victim, the defendant is a bigger POS. She was crack buddies with a native fellow that hit and killed my close friend and another guy infront of the wiskey. These people are scum that should be scrapped off the shoe of society like dogsh*t.

[shermanator]

Bump number two. Pasqua was paroled today, and is moving into a halfway house. Victim's family with some pretty harsh words for the justice system.

"The family has learned through the last go around that there is no 'justice system,' only a 'criminal system,' and that no matter what we want or say it is of no value," Prevost's father, Dale Prevost, said earlier this week.

http://www.calgaryherald.com/news/ca...102/story.html

[Nuje]

Originally Posted by shermanator

Bump number two. Pasqua was paroled today, and is moving into a halfway house. Victim's family with some pretty harsh words for the justice system.





http://www.calgaryherald.com/news/ca...102/story.html

Well said. Why in the hell is our justice system the way it is? Who does it help to let these people out, ever? Oh, sure the person being released. But why the hell do we deserve it?

EDIT - Just to add, my take is simple. It is very easy to get through life without resorting to crime. How come our justice system makes it seem like it isn't? They make it seem like murderers just "make mistakes", and they deserve nothing more than their slap on the wrist. What percentage of violent crimes are commited by repeat offenders, or "people known to police"?

[Cecil Terwilliger]

Oh man, just think of what puckluck is going to say about the justice system when he hears this! And in this case he'll probably be 100% right.

[LGA]

Our judicial system is a joke, they may as well come out already and flat out say that if you're a victim the system will laugh in your face as they release the criminals back into the world.

[puckluck]

Just another example of the soft Canadian justice system. You push someone into the path of a train and are convicted you serve 25 years to life no questions asked.

[cal_guy]

Originally Posted by puckluck

Just another example of the soft Canadian justice system. You push someone into the path of a train and are convicted you serve 25 years to life no questions asked.

If this were the US the prison sentence would at the harshest likely have been 8-9 years with parole at 50% of the sentence for good behavior. Not much different from the 3 years 2 months spent in custody. So does 4 to 5 years satisfy you?

Originally Posted by Nuje

Well said. Why in the hell is our justice system the way it is? Who does it help to let these people out, ever? Oh, sure the person being released. But why the hell do we deserve it?

EDIT - Just to add, my take is simple. It is very easy to get through life without resorting to crime. How come our justice system makes it seem like it isn't? They make it seem like murderers just "make mistakes", and they deserve nothing more than their slap on the wrist. What percentage of violent crimes are commited by repeat offenders, or "people known to police"?

The most significant benefit is that it much cheaper to put someone in parole compared to someone in prison (approximately 20 time cheaper). If she stays clean we get a potentially productive member of society and you and I pay less taxes. If she turns back to drugs, alcohol or petty crime than she goes back to jail for 6-7 years.

[puckluck]

Originally Posted by cal_guy

If this were the US the prison sentence would at the harshest likely have been 8-9 years with parole at 50% of the sentence for good behavior. Not much different from the 3 years 2 months spent in custody. So does 4 to 5 years satisfy you?

So the U.S has three times the punishment and you don't think that's significant?

If it was your son or daughter who go pushed off a train and crushed to death would 3 years 2 months satisfy you? or maybe you'd be happy because you'd save a couple dollars in tax.