Medicine Hat pedophile murders 12 year old girlfriend's family

[Winsor_Pilates]

Originally Posted by Jagger

Well thanks for that. I believe I'm intelligent enough to see past one case, thanks, but Im simply not going to feel sympathic for violent criminals, regardless of age and background.

Fine, don't feel sympathetic. But then don't complain when young people from bad situations do horrible things.

[FireFly]

Originally Posted by Jagger

So what do you think is justice then? If she is released at 18 or 19, completely rehabilitated, but goes out and commits another crime, what then? Back inside for more rehabilitation, education, and skill learning?

What exactly is so wrong with having concern for the victims? That is such "a line" too. Wow.

Well if she's completely rehabillitated, she won't commit a crime, will she? And if she isn't, that's a lesson quickly learned and the reason for the four years of probation. If she does commit another crime, the judge at that point in time will look at her history and throw the book at her. At least in theory.

[Phaneuf3]

Originally Posted by FireFly

Well if she's completely rehabillitated, she won't commit a crime, will she? And if she isn't, that's a lesson quickly learned and the reason for the four years of probation. If she does commit another crime, the judge at that point in time will look at her history and throw the book at her. At least in theory.

how many more 7 year olds does she have to kill before its ok to throw the book at her and not worry about what it'll do to her fragile emotional state?

[Winsor_Pilates]

Originally Posted by Jagger

So what do you think is justice then? If she is released at 18 or 19, completely rehabilitated, but goes out and commits another crime, what then? Back inside for more rehabilitation, education, and skill learning?

What exactly is so wrong with having concern for the victims? That is such "a line" too. Wow.

I think justice is overated. Yes there should be some, but it's not the only goal of a sentence.

Rehibilitation has a higher chance of preventing future crimes then simply justice. If you want to prevent future crimes, choose the method that is more likely to work.

not sure where I said concern for the victims is wrong? I'm hoping for a punishment that helps reduce victims. I'd say that's concern.

[Phaneuf3]

Originally Posted by Winsor_Pilates

I think justice is overated. Yes there should be some, but it's not the only goal of a sentence.

Rehibilitation has a higher chance of preventing future crimes then simply justice. If you want to prevent future crimes, choose the method that is more likely to work.

not sure where I said concern for the victims is wrong? I'm hoping for a punishment that helps reduce victims. I'd say that's concern.

execute her then. that's the only way to be 100% sure she doesn't do this again.

[FireFly]

Originally Posted by Phaneuf3

how many more 7 year olds does she have to kill before its ok to throw the book at her and not worry about what it'll do to her fragile emotional state?

Get real for a second. She's already killed her family. Do you think she's going to go around killing other people's families now? For what? Your comment is almost too ridiculous to respond to.

[Phaneuf3]

Originally Posted by FireFly

Get real for a second. She's already killed her family. Do you think she's going to go around killing other people's families now? For what? Your comment is almost too ridiculous to respond to.

for what? cause she's a couple cans short of a 6 pack. after she finishes planning and brutally murdering her parents and 7 year old brother, she cleans up and tries to hide the evidence.... then this whole thing gets her juices going so much that she's gotta go have sex with her accomplice.

after 6 or less long hard years () in a juvenile detention center, is this the kind of young lady you want moving in next door to you and your kids? why don't you get real for a second.

[Jagger]

Originally Posted by Winsor_Pilates

Fine, don't feel sympathetic. But then don't complain when young people from bad situations do horrible things.

And why shouldn't I have a right to complain? A horrible act is still a horrible act. I actually work with quite a few people from bad situations who don't commit violent crimes. I actively help them with their lot in life too. See, I'm not such a bad person after all. I still don't feel sympathy for the people who commit violent crimes though and I'll certainly complain about the lack of justice too.

[lifer]

anybody have the reoffender rates for criminals in Canada?

[Jagger]

Originally Posted by FireFly

Get real for a second. She's already killed her family. Do you think she's going to go around killing other people's families now? For what? Your comment is almost too ridiculous to respond to.

Who's to say that she won't feel slighted by somebody else that befriends her? What if it's a 19 year old daughter or son of yours? It could happen. It's certainly not impossible. Once you've done something/anything once it's always easier the second time. Ah heck, I know I should just get real. A situation like this could never have happened before. It's just not possible.

[Dion]

Originally Posted by Winsor_Pilates

I think justice is overated. Yes there should be some, but it's not the only goal of a sentence.

And if the sentence is too short it doesn't serve as a deterence to others who might be thinking of comitting a similar crime.

[Phaneuf3]

Originally Posted by Jagger

Who's to say that she won't feel slighted by somebody else that befriends her? What if it's a 19 year old daughter or son of yours? It could happen. It's certainly not impossible.

pffft get real. its clearly impossible. a couple years in prison will completely cure you of any violent tendancies you had.

and a 19 year old feeling slighted by a friend, society or ex-boyfriend? never! 19 year old girls are known to be the most rational, non-hormonal, level headed creatures on the face of the earth.

[Nuje]

I don't have time to read this thread at this hour. I just have to say this:

I feel absolutely awful for the family of this girl. I have no sympathy, and a negative integer of respect for this Mr. Steinke. As for the girl, I understand that it would be ideal if the world were able to rehabilitate everybody. My question is: Is an attempt for rehabiliation worth the safety of people who don't commit violent crimes? While we all know this girl's name from when she was missing (I won't say it due to legal implications, but on local Alberta forums, it's not hard to find) what if nobody did know? Or how about plain cold blooded killers who go on to kill again, and were protected by Canada's Youth Criminal Justice act? Shouldn't I have a right to know that my neighbour willingly slept with a man who slit her 7 year old brother's throat right in front of her?

[pope04]

Originally Posted by FireFly

She's a kid who screwed up royally.

EVERY kid screws up royally. Not every kid is directly involved in the slaughter of their own family, including an EIGHT-YEAR-OLD sibling.

Her demeanor after this heinous act was very telling: She squandered ample opportunities to inform authorities of the murders, she "made out" with her family's murderer shortly after then accepted a jailhouse marriage proposal.

[pope04]

Originally Posted by FireFly

Get real for a second. She's already killed her family. Do you think she's going to go around killing other people's families now? For what? Your comment is almost too ridiculous to respond to.

Yes, yes, I think she just might.

Her own family's slaughter didn't seem to bother her too much. Her parents were offed simply because they objected to what every normal parent would not accept.

[MrMastodonFarm]

Originally Posted by FireFly

Get real for a second. She's already killed her family. Do you think she's going to go around killing other people's families now? For what? Your comment is almost too ridiculous to respond to.

So we should make court rulings on what we think a a murderer will do next, not what they have done?

[FLAMESRULE]

I dont have time to read through the thread on this today, but I gree with some posters that this girl should have been tried as an adult w/o hesitation. There was a great deal of planning, viciousness, and afterthought for this to happen. She should have been thrown away for life.

Anyways, thats not my point, could any of the lawyers or wannabes answer this...could the prosecution have not just tried her on 2 accounts and waited till she was 18 for the third?? Or is there a reason they have to try her on all 3?? I thought you could break them up just incase she gets off on a technicality on one of them??

[ken0042]

I'm no lawyer, but because the crimes were all part of the same act, they have to be tried together.

Had she killed her parents, disposed of the bodies, and then days later she kills her brother to shut him up, then you could delay trying the murder of the brother.

[SeeGeeWhy]

She won't even be as old as her boyfriend was at the time of the murders when she gets out of custody.

[pope04]

Originally Posted by FLAMESRULE

.could the prosecution have not just tried her on 2 accounts and waited till she was 18 for the third??

Even if they waited until she was 118 to prosecute, she was still a 12-year-old minor when the offences occurred.