Hi, I'm a Mac. And I'm a PC

[TheDragon]

Originally Posted by peter12

Well I've used Windows on my Macbook 2.0 Ghz and on my cousin's Macbook Pro, it all worked perfectly. Maybe you're boss is running an old Mac without an Intel chip.

As I said before, it was a brand new Macbook, and it did, infact, have an Intel processor.

Originally Posted by TanguayFan

If you are running Windows on a Mac with boot camp (and not parallels or the now dead virtual pc) then something has clearly gone wrong. Not only that, but something has gone so drastically wrong that a google search of "windows xp + slow boot camp" finds nobody with the same problem, only people marvelling at how it runs at native speeds.

Clearly, because Google can't find anything on it, it can't be true. Oh look at that. I typed in my real name, and it couldn't find anything on me, either. Guess I don't exist.

Whatever. I'll leave you Apple guys to your high horse.

[Displaced Flames fan]

I really like them.

When the time comes, I will for the first time ever consider buying a mac.

[Resolute 14]

It is a well planned campaign, but when I am viewing these commercials, I start to wonder if Apple's message isnt that their computers werent designed with idiots in mind.

[kevman]

Originally Posted by underGRADFlame

Here's a artical on benchmark tests of the PC vs Mac running XP. Note it is a 6 month old artical but this shows xp runs as good if not better on a mac.

http://www.macworld.com/2006/04/firs...arks/index.php

That I find interesting. With that said, if you plan on running Window's XP on your Mac what is the point of buying a Mac? It's the software that makes windows vulnerable isn't it? Would you really pay more for a Mac to run windows on just so you had a fancy clear/white plastic case? I realize you could dual boot but after dual booting Linux for a while I realized how much of a pain it is to switch back and forth when you want to do something in the other OS. I'm sorry I simply don't understand the point of buying a Mac just to run Window's on it.

On that note, what's the deal with the 1 button mouse? What's wrong with wanting a 2nd button...and a scroll wheel...and a back button damn it!

[V]

Ohhh, Mac mouses don't have a scroll wheel? Damn, that's a clincher for me. No way I'll be getting a Mac. I couldn't handle not having a scroll wheel.

[I-Hate-Hulse]

Originally Posted by Barnes

Indeed. It is however possible to work on a Mac. There is nothing wrong with Windows at work and Mac at home.

Agreed - it's a matter of horses for courses here people. Rehashing the Mac vs PC argument here is as pointless as Calgary vs Edmonton threads. Do a search if you want to get the play by play of many departed threads on the same topic.

Getting back on topic, I think the commericals are good creatively, but seem to continue to target the "university" crowd that Apple already targets. Personally, I don't think they really give a person a sense of what precisely makes a Mac "better", just vague high level statements.

Here's a concept: Instead of focusing on propagating the fight of which OS is better, how about showing why it would fit a user's needs better (ie samples of usage). And I mean exactly how, not just the current vague statements like "it's more secure" and "it's so much easier to use" in those commericals.

Tanguayfan: While I agree with your 1st paragraph, the rest of your "assertions" have a whole lot of debatable points that have been covered in previous threads....

[peter12]

Originally Posted by Dominicwasalreadytaken

Ohhh, Mac mouses don't have a scroll wheel? Damn, that's a clincher for me. No way I'll be getting a Mac. I couldn't handle not having a scroll wheel.

Two finger scrolling. Much better than a scroll wheel.

[TheDragon]

Originally Posted by peter12

Two finger scrolling. Much better than a scroll wheel.

Hey, and what's the deal with no Right Click?

I heard they have some kind of new mouse that enables it, though...

[peter12]

Originally Posted by TheDragon

Hey, and what's the deal with no Right Click?

I heard they have some kind of new mouse that enables it, though...

Control + click is totally fine with me. These are certainly the issues which come strictly down to preference.

[fanforever1986]

Originally Posted by kevman

That I find interesting. With that said, if you plan on running Window's XP on your Mac what is the point of buying a Mac? It's the software that makes windows vulnerable isn't it? Would you really pay more for a Mac to run windows on just so you had a fancy clear/white plastic case? I realize you could dual boot but after dual booting Linux for a while I realized how much of a pain it is to switch back and forth when you want to do something in the other OS. I'm sorry I simply don't understand the point of buying a Mac just to run Window's on it.

On that note, what's the deal with the 1 button mouse? What's wrong with wanting a 2nd button...and a scroll wheel...and a back button damn it!

STOP TALKING OUT OF YOUR A**!!!

Macs HAVE a scroll wheel...and it rolls 360 degrees...kicking the hell out of the PC mice.

The right click is done by pressing the ctrl key. It's the exact same.

Ugh.

[TheDragon]

Geeze, no need to get so sensitive. I was only kidding.

And for the record, I never once stated anything negative about Macs, in any of my posts, other than how I feel about them, and what I've experienced first hand. On the contrary, I believe Macs do a lot of things 'better' than PC's. But saying they're 'better' overall is stretching it. A lot.

Sorry if I trust my own judgement more than what some columnist (who's equally biased towards Macs) that says the exact opposite.

[CrusaderPi]

Originally Posted by Dominicwasalreadytaken

Ohhh, Mac mouses don't have a scroll wheel? Damn, that's a clincher for me. No way I'll be getting a Mac. I couldn't handle not having a scroll wheel.

I moved my PC mouse to my Mac. Scroll wheel, right button, infrared. No problems there.

All I did was plug it in, and the Mac had a pop up that read: You've installed a Microsoft Mouse. Do you want to run it? OK

For what it's worth, I installed a router to connect my PC and Mac together. It took an hour of installing to make it work on the PC. The Mac took like 2 minutes.

[PsYcNeT]

Apple is the guru of all consumer loyalty programs, convincing all users of their proprietary products that their products are not only much better and beyond others available, but they should fervently argue and berate others for not agreeing with them.

The Mac-loyalty is probably the worst of the bunch, with users talking about the freedom to be an idiot and still have the ability to run a problem-free computer. This does not a desirable product make.

The proprietary aspect of Macs is much the same reason as why most power-users never buy Dells or Gateways or any other pre-built computer. That being, all pre-builts are fundamentally flawed right from the get-go, no matter how awesome they run out of the box.

A pre-built will never have the absolute functionality and versatility of a self-built computer, no matter if it is a Mac or not. On a different (pre-built) note, my T2500 w/ 2 gigs of DDR2 laptop runs both Photoshop and Premiere just dandy, and waiting 8 seconds less than on a Mac for a video render is neglibible to anyone sane.

[Hemi-Cuda]

i dislike the ads simply because they put out misinformation. in one they tote the fact that Macs are more secure from viruses (which is only due to a lower user base in the first place), and then in another they advertise that you can install Windows on it, which completely negates the whole secure aspect they had in the first ad. in another they say a Mac is more usable out of the box, but any PC you buy from a major vendor these days is the exact same way. and finally one of the latest ads i saw had them saying Macs are more suitable for entertainment purposes, but fail to mention that Macs severely lack in one of the biggest entertainment functions, games (not to mention getting into media PC's and such)

i prefer PC's because i like to have total customizability. i like being able to go to Memory Express and have options for what i want on each component (saving a ton of money in the process), can't do that with a Mac. and i've been using Windows so long now that i can configure it exactly how i want and it's just as secure if not more so than any Mac (i don't run antivirus, yet have never had a virus breakout). Macs are great for people who want a simple solution, they don't want to fiddle around with anything and just want it to work. but for those who like more options in what they want to have in a computer then PC is still the best option

[Jagger]

The ad campaign is pretty slick but you have to think that they only seem to be targeting a market that they already have. I don't see many familes and the like jumping on board because of these ads.

Apple does an excellent job at creating brand loyalty though, I'll give them that. There's some pretty passionate responses here from Mac Users. You guys really take ownership of these things.

For the record we own four PC's and do have problems with them from time to time, it must be said. However, they are used primarily for business and, like it or not, PC's are the machine of choice for business. I also game on my PC and Mac is just not there yet with regards to that.

I'm really impressed with the passion here though. Does anyone actually own any shares in Apple?

[PsYcNeT]

I think what most people miss for virus protection, is that 99% of all viruses can be prevented by the combination of smart web-surfing, and a good router.

On the note of entertainment, HD-decoding on Macs tends to lag, because processors/RAM cannot handle things like say, PS 2.0 Bicubic A=-1.00 3-Dimensional video rendering because that is much more VC dependant.

[peter12]

Originally Posted by PsYcNeT

I think what most people miss for virus protection, is that 99% of all viruses can be prevented by the combination of smart web-surfing, and a good router.

On the note of entertainment, HD-decoding on Macs tends to lag, because processors/RAM cannot handle things like say, PS 2.0 Bicubic A=-1.00 3-Dimensional video rendering because that is much more VC dependant.

Like it or not, 99.9% of computer uses are casual users just looking for a quick fix. Not everyone has time or impetus to mess around with technical details.

[Igottago]

Originally Posted by Jagger

I'm really impressed with the passion here though. Does anyone actually own any shares in Apple?

That's one thing that actually turns me off mac...this whole mac-lifestyle thing is pretty dumb. Its a computer. Either you choose pc or mac, it doesn't really matter, it has nothing to do with your hipness.

[Jagger]

Originally Posted by Igottago

That's one thing that actually turns me off mac...this whole mac-lifestyle thing is pretty dumb. Its a computer. Either you choose pc or mac, it doesn't really matter, it has nothing to do with your hipness.

I may have had my tongue slightly in my cheek with that comment. Shame on me......

[20-12-22]

Originally Posted by peter12

Like it or not, 99.9% of computer uses are casual users just looking for a quick fix. Not everyone has time or impetus to mess around with technical details.

That maybe true, but im sure alot of people may purchase there computer based on friends or family experiences. Why not take advantage of a friends ability to customize a pc for you and get exactly what you need. Chances are there tech support with be better then anything you pay for.


I do alot of computer things for friends that use it mainly to surf the net, and the odd job. And id build them a pc to work within there needs.