Thoughts on Liberal leadership race?

[jolinar of malkshor]

Well....the fact that Dion wants to cut and run from Afghanistan is pretty sad to say the least. Not to mention.....how is he going to explain Kyoto during the next election?

[kipperfan]

Originally Posted by ben voyonsdonc

I guess we have different perspectives...I want a potential PM to be good for Canada and the entire Canadian people, you want one who is good for the West. Ideologically, I don't agree with a lot of Dion's ideas but there is no doubt that he is sincere in his desire to be a PM for Canada. I think the Goon is stating that even though we may strongly disagree ideologically with the politicians in power they at least are democratically elected and have a respect for the rule of law and the Canadian people. We don't have any Kim Jong-Il's or Saddam Hussein's and thank goodness for that.

I agree with the last part of your post for sure, but I dont think any PM that gives one part of the country beneficial treatment is good for the country on a whole. I think so far Harper has been consistent and fair to everyone in this nation and dont believe Dion will be able to say that should he get into power. As it is he has a history of giving little to no love for the energy sector, which immediatley is bad news for Alberta and the economy in general.

[daveyboy]

Dion's dog name is Kyoto, so hopefully he'll do more for the environment then the previous and current regimes.

[peter12]

Originally Posted by daveyboy

Dion's dog name is Kyoto, so hopefully he'll do more for the environment then the previous and current regimes.

Yeah, that's got to be it.

[The Goon]

Yes, I am thinking for the country as a whole. I want all of our parties to be strong, to have strong leaders, and to represent all Canadians. Having lived across this great country of ours, I want all of us to have strong representation.

While I don't believe Layton would ever be elected, I think he's good as a leader for the NDP, which helps bring both the CPC and LPC into a better state of balance. In that, he's excellent for his position, although I may not always agree with him.

[FLAMESBURNOIL]

Originally Posted by Table 5

heh, like it or not, yes that's all it will take, I guarantee it. For better or worse, the Liberal's still represent the majority view of Canadians, especially in the provinces that decide elections. I didn't say it was fair, but that's the way it is in Canada.

Sad thing is, if the Conservatives would get rid of all the extremist churchie a-holes trying to push their morals on everyone, I think they would be a pretty decent party that people would support for the longterm. I don't give a crap who people are screwing or marrying, who wants to abort what, or who wants to separate from who cause they've been done wrong....I care about supporting a healthy sustainable economy, health care, and the environment. Stick to supporting those, and I will support you.

It's funny how a basis of many right-wing thinkers is wanting the government to stay out of their lives, yet when it comes to morality, they are the ones trying to control everyone else.

Most canadains want billions of their task dollars wasted?
Examples?

As far as what you care for, its funny, spending the money to achieve a high standard of health care, and spending money on the enviroment, will lead to the desctruction of the economy. Don't get me wrong i want all of those things too, but i am a little realistic about it, and reality is something that most right wingers can't grasp.

I also want democracy and all the liberals every do is cater to the minority - case in point the gay marriage debate. First off gays get all the same benefits that a married couple does, when they form a civil union. Most people werent informed that this was the case - that whole debate wasnt about those goverment benefits, it was always about the actual title.

I guarantee you that more people in canada believe that marriage is between a man and a woman then there are gays who want to get married.

I don't give me this extremist religious crap...it nothing but another liberal scare tatic.

What the librals in general really need to do, is stop there freakin whining.

In case you want to know, i dont subscribe to any religion, i also will support any political party that is right for the country at the time, whether its liberal of the green party....

I also don't descriminate people, i understand that there are people who might be a little more religious than me, it doents matter if i dont agree with it, they are there and they deserve a voice.

Anyways a some libs i know said they were scared for canada when the thought of a conservative goverment crossed their mind...still trying to figure out why they are scared....

[Devils'Advocate]

So, once again, Conservative Party of Canada AGAINST Canadian Charter of Human Rights.

All other parties FOR Canadian Charter of Human Rights.

Most Canadians know that the Conservative Mulroney government did far more damage to the country than the Chretien Liberals. Okay, the Liberals wasted money.. at least they were spending money they had, rather than the Conservatives who spent money they DIDN'T have. The Liberals, for better or for worse, will be back in power, probably sooner than later. Ontario will not elect more Conservatives, and with Dion, likely Quebec won't elect any more either. And with Newfoundland and the other Atlantic provinces not very happy with Harper.... I don't know where the Conservatives plan on picking up seats. British Columbia?

[kipperfan]

Originally Posted by Devils'Advocate

So, once again, Conservative Party of Canada AGAINST Canadian Charter of Human Rights.

All other parties FOR Canadian Charter of Human Rights.

Most Canadians know that the Conservative Mulroney government did far more damage to the country than the Chretien Liberals. Okay, the Liberals wasted money.. at least they were spending money they had, rather than the Conservatives who spent money they DIDN'T have. The Liberals, for better or for worse, will be back in power, probably sooner than later. Ontario will not elect more Conservatives, and with Dion, likely Quebec won't elect any more either. And with Newfoundland and the other Atlantic provinces not very happy with Harper.... I don't know where the Conservatives plan on picking up seats. British Columbia?

I think the term you are looking for is "stole" not "wasted".

[FLAMESBURNOIL]

Originally Posted by Devils'Advocate

So, once again, Conservative Party of Canada AGAINST Canadian Charter of Human Rights.

All other parties FOR Canadian Charter of Human Rights.

Most Canadians know that the Conservative Mulroney government did far more damage to the country than the Chretien Liberals. Okay, the Liberals wasted money.. at least they were spending money they had, rather than the Conservatives who spent money they DIDN'T have. The Liberals, for better or for worse, will be back in power, probably sooner than later. Ontario will not elect more Conservatives, and with Dion, likely Quebec won't elect any more either. And with Newfoundland and the other Atlantic provinces not very happy with Harper.... I don't know where the Conservatives plan on picking up seats. British Columbia?

pretty sure trudeau did more damage than anyone

[peter12]

Originally Posted by Devils'Advocate

So, once again, Conservative Party of Canada AGAINST Canadian Charter of Human Rights.

All other parties FOR Canadian Charter of Human Rights.

Most Canadians know that the Conservative Mulroney government did far more damage to the country than the Chretien Liberals. Okay, the Liberals wasted money.. at least they were spending money they had, rather than the Conservatives who spent money they DIDN'T have. The Liberals, for better or for worse, will be back in power, probably sooner than later. Ontario will not elect more Conservatives, and with Dion, likely Quebec won't elect any more either. And with Newfoundland and the other Atlantic provinces not very happy with Harper.... I don't know where the Conservatives plan on picking up seats. British Columbia?

You know... we had rights BEFORE the Charter.

[Devils'Advocate]

Trudeau still has God-like status in most parts of the country.

Mulroney, well, uhm, not so much.

[peter12]

Originally Posted by Winsor_Pilates

Do away with the Liberal party? How demoncratic of you.
When you say "any other country" you must be refering to N.Korea and Cuba

Did you know the only other countries where it is illegal to purchase private healthcare insurance are N. Korea and Cuba? We can thank the Liberals for that.

[Devils'Advocate]

Let's see the Conservatives open *THAT* can of worms. Where is that in their platform?

Putting that in their platform is a sure fire way of going down in flames in the next election. That would be fun to see. Let's see them try that.

[FLAMESBURNOIL]

Originally Posted by Devils'Advocate

Trudeau still has God-like status in most parts of the country.

Mulroney, well, uhm, not so much.

So? We arent talking about public perception, we are talking about the mans record in goverment.

But i guess if thats all the research you did to come to that conclusion in your other post oh well...

anyways do you know why the Mulroney had to introduce the GST? Do you know why? Was is it for **** and giggles? Or was it to help pay for the mess the liberals had gotten the country in .

[peter12]

Originally Posted by Devils'Advocate

Let's see the Conservatives open *THAT* can of worms. Where is that in their platform?

Putting that in their platform is a sure fire way of going down in flames in the next election. That would be fun to see. Let's see them try that.

I know you're trying... but...

Anyway, most polls show the Conservatives with a 7+ point lead over the other political parties. To clarify, the Conservatives still remain the most popular party across Canada.

Not just Alberta.

[Azure]

Originally Posted by Table 5

Come on, with the way the economy is these days, a monkey could have run this province....and the way Ralph has handled things over his last term, it probably did. It's been pretty much cruise control for a while now.

Yes, over his last term.

A monkey couldn't have done what he did to get Alberta where we are right now.

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by Devils'Advocate

So, once again, Conservative Party of Canada AGAINST Canadian Charter of Human Rights.

I love this argument because its blatently not true, but its the only thing that people that hate the conservatives can hold on too.

Originally Posted by Devils'Advocate

All other parties FOR Canadian Charter of Human Rights.

Uhh huh. I think that all parties are for the preservation of the charter of human rights. Until you can prove to me that the Conservatives are somehow subverting human rights in this country. I call bull.

Originally Posted by Devils'Advocate

Most Canadians know that the Conservative Mulroney government did far more damage to the country than the Chretien Liberals. Okay, the Liberals wasted money.. at least they were spending money they had, rather than the Conservatives who spent money they DIDN'T have. The Liberals, for better or for worse, will be back in power, probably sooner than later. Ontario will not elect more Conservatives, and with Dion, likely Quebec won't elect any more either. And with Newfoundland and the other Atlantic provinces not very happy with Harper.... I don't know where the Conservatives plan on picking up seats. British Columbia?

Unfortunately the Mulroney conservatives had to dig out of the hole that Trudeau and his merry band of pirates dug. The damage was already done, and quite a few of the economic benefits that were reaped by Chretien were created by programs put into place by the conservatives.

The Liberal's blatently stole money, and where they didn't steal it they wasted it. They didn't spend money that we had since this country was is and continues to be in debt.

It will be interesting to see how the voters react to a Chretienite like Dion in the next polls. I think the Libs will take a tumble now that they have a leader that will actually be in the press and will be the focus of voter scrutiny.

You don't know if Quebec will elect more conservatives or not, but the Quebecois nation vote will help as well as the announcement that the Conservatives will fix the Quebec fiscal imbalance in the next election, those are a couple of things that the Liberal's couldn't do since they were so busy trying to bribe people in Quebec when they were in power and creating a larger fiscal imbalance. Dion might gather more votes in Quebec but its likely that those votes will come from the bloc.

As far as Newfoundland and the rest of the Maritimes, I'm sure that the Conservatives will do something before the next election, and unlike the Liberal's they won't make up phony platform points to win votes and then pull back on them.

[peter12]

Originally Posted by Devils'Advocate

Let's see the Conservatives open *THAT* can of worms. Where is that in their platform?

Putting that in their platform is a sure fire way of going down in flames in the next election. That would be fun to see. Let's see them try that.

Healthcare is the jurisdiction of the provinces. They'll wait until Alberta or most likely Quebec go that way on their own.

Read the ****ing Constitution.

[fanforever1986]

I cannot believe how liberal this board is sometimes, its really gross.

Calgary has not, and will not ever benefit from having the libs in power...and how citizens of this city figure they should support that is beyond anything rational

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by peter12

Healthcare is the jurisdiction of the provinces. They'll wait until Alberta or most likely Quebec go that way on their own.

Read the ****ing Constitution.

Easy Peter, he's just throwing darts at a board to see if they will stick.