11-12-2006, 06:34 PM
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#81
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In the Sin Bin
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Originally Posted by Devils'Advocate
Anyhow, as anyone who watches the Colbert Report knows, arguing facts, science and logic with a extremist fundamentalist Christian is an exercise in futility.
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Why restrict yourself to Christians? Arguing facts, science and logic with a fundamentalist anything is an exercise in futility.
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11-12-2006, 06:43 PM
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#83
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Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: Creston
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Originally Posted by kipperfan
The scriptures were written thousands of years ago right? Before science had any say in this argument right? Have you ever thought maybe the authors of those scriptures would have changed their tune if they had been privy to scientific fact at the time?
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The author of scriptures is God. Men wrote as they were lead by the Holy Spirit.
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11-12-2006, 06:45 PM
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#84
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Originally Posted by Snakeeye
Why restrict yourself to Christians? Arguing facts, science and logic with a fundamentalist anything is an exercise in futility.
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I guess that would include atheists too.
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11-12-2006, 06:46 PM
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#85
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Join Date: Feb 2004
Location: Brisbane, Australia
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Calgaryborn
The author of scriptures is God. Men wrote as they were lead by the Holy Spirit.
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Says who? The scriptures themselves? How do you know whoever wrote them didnt just make it all up, including this "god" you speak of?
Blind faith only takes you so far down the path of logic doesnt it?
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Fyodor Dostoevsky - The Brothers Karamazov
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11-12-2006, 06:51 PM
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#86
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Originally Posted by kipperfan
Says who? The scriptures themselves? How do you know whoever wrote them didnt just make it all up, including this "god" you speak of?
Blind faith only takes you so far down the path of logic doesnt it?
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I will answer you just as soon as I have a moment.
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11-12-2006, 07:01 PM
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#87
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First Line Centre
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Originally Posted by Calgaryborn
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Your articles are written by world net daily, a conservative news group who's founder is a conservatice Christian. Now THERE is an organization that has motivation for results to end up in their favour. These are hardly objective articles.
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11-12-2006, 07:02 PM
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#88
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First Line Centre
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Originally Posted by Calgaryborn
The author of scriptures is God. Men wrote as they were lead by the Holy Spirit.
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Apparently, George Bush was also lead by God. Then he invaded Iraq. And we all know how that's going...
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11-12-2006, 07:39 PM
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#89
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by Crazy Flamer
Apparently, George Bush was also lead by God. Then he invaded Iraq. And we all know how that's going...
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yep and this too..
Aside from Rove and Cheney, Bush’s inner circle are all deeply religious. [Condoleezza] Rice is a minister’s daughter, chief of staff Andrew Card is a minister’s husband, Karen Hughes is a church elder, and head speechwriter Michael Gerson is a born-again evangelical, a movement insider.
The Five Ways of Faith in America: (1) Faith-Based Justice, (2) Faith-Based Social Services, (3) Faith-Based Science, (4) Faith-Based Health, and — my personal favorite — (5) Faith-Based War.
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11-12-2006, 07:41 PM
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#90
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Retired
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Originally Posted by Dion
I have an uncle who is gay. He hates who he is and stated this was not a choice of his. He feels no attraction to the opposite sex.
Is he a liar in your books?
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Good thing he dodged this question.
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11-12-2006, 07:45 PM
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#91
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Join Date: Feb 2004
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Originally Posted by CaramonLS
Good thing he dodged this question.
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He has dodged pretty much every good question in this thread.
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"Man, so long as he remains free, has no more constant and agonizing anxiety than to find, as quickly as possible, someone to worship."
Fyodor Dostoevsky - The Brothers Karamazov
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11-12-2006, 07:53 PM
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#92
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Not a casual user
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: A simple man leading a complicated life....
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Originally Posted by CaramonLS
Good thing he dodged this question.
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I doubt he'll answer it. He'd have to question his faith, but you and I know that's not going to happen.
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11-12-2006, 07:54 PM
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Had an idea!
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Originally Posted by Dion
I doubt he'll answer it. He'd have to question his faith, but you and I know that's not going to happen.
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Something wrong with having faith?
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11-12-2006, 07:57 PM
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#94
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Not a casual user
Join Date: Mar 2006
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Originally Posted by Azure
Something wrong with having faith?
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Did I say there was?
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11-12-2006, 07:59 PM
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#95
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Had an idea!
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Originally Posted by Dion
Did I say there was?
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Seems to me..you openly disagree with everything religion has to offer. Religion this..religion that.
Faith is a big part of religion...and probably something that allows people to have religious morals. Included in those morals is the belief that homosexuality is wrong. Something wrong with that?
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11-12-2006, 08:07 PM
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#96
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Not a casual user
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Originally Posted by Azure
Seems to me..you openly disagree with everything religion has to offer. Religion this..religion that.
Faith is a big part of religion...and probably something that allows people to have religious morals. Included in those morals is the belief that homosexuality is wrong. Something wrong with that?
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Wrong assumption. I was once a part of organized religion but left due to the hyporisy with in the church. I also believe in a God.
Of course faith is a part of religion. If religious people want to go around and tell others that homsexuality is a choice they should be able to back up their views.
Is this okay with you?
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11-12-2006, 08:41 PM
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#97
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Closet Jedi
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On the actual topic at hand -- I hate to say it, but I agree with everything Devil'sAdvocate has said. Opinion-wise, I also think that organised religion is the cause of a lot of strife in the world, but there's no way to eliminate it. Even though the idea will never work, I commend Elton John for suggesting such a bold statement on banning organised religion.
On the correlation between homosexuality and genetics.. That point is moot. Say they do irrefutably find a link, proving that genetics cause homosexuality, and that homosexuality is not a choice. Will that stop these churches from hating gays? Will proven scientific fact change the minds of deeply religious devouts? Hell No! These are the same religious devouts who don't want Evolution taught in schools, even though it's generally accepted in the scientific community.
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11-12-2006, 08:48 PM
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#98
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In the Sin Bin
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As was mentioned off the top, it is ironic that there are people who beleive promoting intolerance as a means of creating tolerance is to be commended...
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11-12-2006, 09:23 PM
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#99
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Had an idea!
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Originally Posted by Dion
Wrong assumption. I was once a part of organized religion but left due to the hyporisy with in the church. I also believe in a God.
Of course faith is a part of religion. If religious people want to go around and tell others that homsexuality is a choice they should be able to back up their views.
Is this okay with you?
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And if you know anything about religion..you'd know that faith is the corner stone for every religious belief.
How do you back up faith?
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11-12-2006, 09:24 PM
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#100
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Had an idea!
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Originally Posted by Philly06Cup
Even though the idea will never work, I commend Elton John for suggesting such a bold statement on banning organised religion.
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Because..that would solve every problem that exists..since ALL stem from organized religion. 
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