Political Junkies: Predictions for U.S. Mid-Terms?

[Vulcan]

Originally Posted by Displaced Flames fan

Now ignoring?

Tranny, it's been ignored for 3 years....along with the FACT that Hussein DID have WMD's as documented by the UN, earmarked for destruction and unaccounted for!

Unbelievable.

We've been down this road a hundred times. At the time of the invasion there were no WMD and none were found. The UN reported there were no WMD and none were found. There were no WMD. It was a put up job. Honestly I wonder what the media is feeding you.

[Iowa_Flames_Fan]

Originally Posted by Displaced Flames fan

BTW...what grounds are there for impeachment?

None, as far as I can tell--and I'm not a Bush backer by any means. To get impeached you have to break the law--and you would need a Democratic advantage in both houses to make it happen. The Congress can recommend impeachment, but only the Senate can make it happen.

Besides, why would Pelosi say that she was going to impeach Bush during an election? That would be crazy. Sounds like Looger's evidence that "there aren't two parties" is that Pelosi isn't willing to commit political suicide.


Dis--what's your take on Missouri? I didn't realize you were in Kansas... we're practically neighbours!

[Lanny_MacDonald]

Originally Posted by transplant99

Look at who voted Lanny...control or not...the Dems backed it...period.

Unless a top-secret-neuro-atom-invisible- bomb-that-would-have -the Repubs-win-any-vote-they-wanted was flown into the House and no one noticed....cept you.

Don't bother acknowledging the political climate of the moment, right Tranny. It wasn't a time when people were afraid to speak their mind and vote their heart. It's funny, but that "top-secret-neuro-atom-invisible- bomb-that-would-have -the Repubs-win-any-vote-they-wanted" may have indeed existed, in the form of "patriotism" or the threat of being considered "un-American". Also, it seems that you are forgetting that the administration BLATANLY LIED about the evidence to get into Iraq. I know you are trying to forget that little fact as you blindly supported the Bush administration. I don't blame you. Patriotism and fear can make people do stupid things.

[Displaced Flames fan]

Originally Posted by Vulcan

We've been down this road a hundred times. At the time of the invasion there were no WMD and none were found. The UN reported there were no WMD and none were found. There were no WMD. It was a put up job. Honestly I wonder what the media is feeding you.

They couldn't find them. Their destruction was undocumented. Hussein was asked, by the UN security council, to produce the documentation of what happened to the WMD in question. He failed by all accounts to do that.

I guess we should've just taken him at his word.

You can take the last line of your post and shove it up your condescending ass. The media doesn't feed me anything.

[Iowa_Flames_Fan]

Well, it looked like the race was tightening, but the GOP got some bad news in this morning's CNN Poll:
http://www.cnn.com/2006/POLITICS/11/...oll/index.html

President Bush's popularity has dipped to 35 percent, according to a new CNN poll, with 41 percent of likely voters saying their disapproval of his performance will affect their vote in Tuesday's elections for control of Congress.

That's NEVER good.....

[Displaced Flames fan]

Originally Posted by Iowa_Flames_Fan

None, as far as I can tell--and I'm not a Bush backer by any means. To get impeached you have to break the law--and you would need a Democratic advantage in both houses to make it happen. The Congress can recommend impeachment, but only the Senate can make it happen.

Besides, why would Pelosi say that she was going to impeach Bush during an election? That would be crazy. Sounds like Looger's evidence that "there aren't two parties" is that Pelosi isn't willing to commit political suicide.


Dis--what's your take on Missouri? I didn't realize you were in Kansas... we're practically neighbours!

My take on Missouri?

Gorgeous state!

I don't know anything about the political happenings in Missouri. It sounds like that Senate race will be super tight.

I was listening to Hannity on the way home from work today. I about fell over when Rick Santorum said that the electorate's lives did in fact depend on who comes out of tomorrow with Congressional control. Unbelievable.

Hannity and his show have gone completely over the edge. It is actually comical to listen too.

[Displaced Flames fan]

Originally Posted by Iowa_Flames_Fan

Well, it looked like the race was tightening, but the GOP got some bad news in this morning's CNN Poll:
http://www.cnn.com/2006/POLITICS/11/...oll/index.html



That's NEVER good.....

Well, I'm not sure how anyone can have a positive opinion of his performance.

That said, why should Bush's performance have ANY bearing on how you vote for your state representatives? Do people really go vote for Garth McGinn simply because Todd Tiahrt is a Republican and George Bush is too? How about actually picking a candidate based on qualifications and performance?

People are idiots.

[Lanny_MacDonald]

Originally Posted by JohnnyFlame

Nah you are very much like the Dem's you love --you whine without facts. Then you when you are called on the facts which is so very easy -- you call into question the opponent -- then you switch the argument to being over the insults.

Pot, meet kettle. You might also want to check the score in this thread in that regard.

Don't much matter. I remain unconvinced that you even know what you are talking about and fully unconvinced that the party you are so enamored of has anything to offer other than whining.

Don't worry, I KNOW you don't have a clue what you're talking about. You don't even have a clue about the Kurdish cause that you continually dredge up as the ultimate support to the partitioning of Iraq. That alone speaks volumes about your credibility on the subject and why you wisely runaway when the topic starts getting down to real world issues.

Now there are a few of them with some guts --Biden is one and if his plan was overhauled and adopted as Democratic policy they might actually have something.

I like Biden. He's an interesting guy. The whole partitioning issue is terribly flawed and will likely lead to more ethnic violence over resources. That's without even considering non-geopolitical borders that could create greater problems for all countries in the region. Partitioning is a typically "American" solution as it does not even consider the complexities of the region. It views things in as simplistic terms as possible. I guess that's why you appreciate the concept so much.

[Iowa_Flames_Fan]

Originally Posted by Displaced Flames fan

Well, I'm not sure how anyone can have a positive opinion of his performance.

That said, why should Bush's performance have ANY bearing on how you vote for your state representatives? Do people really go vote for Garth McGinn simply because Todd Tiahrt is a Republican and George Bush is too? How about actually picking a candidate based on qualifications and performance?

People are idiots.

You'll get no argument here!


Another way to look at it, though, is that if you think the Republican congress has done a poor job of being a check on Bush's power, then they also become a good vehicle for sending a message to the administration in a year where they aren't on the ballot. In that way, it's not a totally illogical approach.

With that said, the axiom in American political culture has long been "all politics are local"--but my guess is that swing voters and infrequent voters have no idea who their local representatives are, and if they participate in the process at all do so on the basis of national issues that motivate them.

[Displaced Flames fan]

Originally Posted by Iowa_Flames_Fan

With that said, the axiom in American political culture has long been "all politics are local"--but my guess is that swing voters and infrequent voters have no idea who their local representatives are, and if they participate in the process at all do so on the basis of national issues that motivate them.

Which further proves my theory that people are idiots.

[Looger]

Originally Posted by Displaced Flames fan

BTW...what grounds are there for impeachment?

nearly everything that this administration has done is grounds or impeachment, massive amounts of documented purgery.

[FlamingLonghorn]

Originally Posted by Looger

nearly everything that this administration has done is grounds or impeachment, massive amounts of documented purgery.

Well, I have not seen any evidence directly linked to Bush that constitutes perjury. Although, I am sure he did lots of binging and purging back in his party days...

[Looger]

Originally Posted by Sowa

Well, I have not seen any evidence directly linked to Bush that constitutes perjury. Although, I am sure he did lots of binging and purging back in his party days...

if lying aboot a blow job is impeachable ( and i am no clinton fan ) then lying aboot WMD reports for corporate wars should qualify.

[Iowa_Flames_Fan]

Originally Posted by Looger

if lying aboot a blow job is impeachable ( and i am no clinton fan ) then lying aboot WMD reports for corporate wars should qualify.

Well, there's a reason Clinton wasn't convicted in the end--those accusations were idiotic in the first place. But one very important difference is that when Clinton lied, he was under oath, which gave the GOP their way into that issue. AFAIK Bush hasn't lied about WMD to a Grand Jury. Lying to the public actually isn't a crime. As I said before, being a bad president isn't an impeachable offense.

[FlamingLonghorn]

Originally Posted by Looger

if lying aboot a blow job is impeachable ( and i am no clinton fan ) then lying aboot WMD reports for corporate wars should qualify.

Did Bush make/change the reports himself? If so, which there is no proof, then he is guilty of misleading America. If not, then he is guilty of following faulty information. If you think the conspiracy theories are evidence that would hold up in court then maybe you need to take a criminal law class.

[Looger]

Originally Posted by Sowa

Did Bush make/change the reports himself? If so, which there is no proof, then he is guilty of misleading America. If not, then he is guilty of following faulty information. If you think the conspiracy theories are evidence that would hold up in court then maybe you need to take a criminal law class.

personally i think the whole gang should hang for high treason for the 'conspiracy' stuff.

but the level of crime that leaders in the states get impeached for is FAR below the level of crime that this administration is provably culpable in.

what aboot the $1.6 billion for paid propoganda?

something like 400 separate criminal offences according to government accountants.

each one far more impeachable than lying aboot nookie.

[Displaced Flames fan]

Originally Posted by Looger

if lying aboot a blow job is impeachable ( and i am no clinton fan ) then lying aboot WMD reports for corporate wars should qualify.

And the proof that Bush knowingly lied about the presence of WMD's in Iraq is where?

Additionally, in order for lying to be perjury it has to be under oath.

Look, the whole idea that they LIED is unbelievably illogical. If they had LIED we would have never known because they would have made sure they found WMD's by PLANTING them there to support their LIE.

[Looger]

Originally Posted by Displaced Flames fan

And the proof that Bush knowingly lied about the presence of WMD's in Iraq is where?

Additionally, in order for lying to be perjury it has to be under oath.

Look, the whole idea that they LIED is unbelievably illogical. If they had LIED we would have never known because they would have made sure they found WMD's by PLANTING them there to support their LIE.

not surprisingly there are many accounts that WMD's were found and BURIED by this administration, too many 'made in the USA' tags!

what a sick joke.

[Displaced Flames fan]

Originally Posted by Looger

personally i think the whole gang should hang for high treason for the 'conspiracy' stuff.

but the level of crime that leaders in the states get impeached for is FAR below the level of crime that this administration is provably culpable in.

what aboot the $1.6 billion for paid propoganda?

something like 400 separate criminal offences according to government accountants.

each one far more impeachable than lying aboot nookie.

I love your vague questions.

What about the brown van?

Maybe you could be a little more specific.

400 criminal offenses by Bush in 6 years? Yeah...right.

[Displaced Flames fan]

Originally Posted by Looger

not surprisingly there are many accounts that WMD's were found and BURIED by this administration, too many 'made in the USA' tags!

what a sick joke.

Yeah, sure they were. Because the US military is so incapable of pulling that one off.