Florida Congressman sends dirty email to teens

[Daradon]

Originally Posted by JohnnyFlame

I would agree you are confused. You are trying to change people's opinions but call those who try to change yours IDIOTS.

Now there is a kind of tolerance I recoginze from history.

If you would clarify your post and clear up your english I would gladly respond.

Including all the words you have put in my mouth over the last page. Something I have not done to you.

[JohnnyFlame]

That's it. LOL a sad capitulation. Please clear up your English and I will gladly respond.

And your questioning other's intelligence?

Your done like dinner(see if you can figure that one out?)

[Displaced Flames fan]

Originally Posted by Daradon

In the last 12 years you cannot argue that the repubs have taken the 'moral high road' in their actions, that they havent' even REdefined the lingo. They have recreated language and made slurs.

Going back... I WAS talking about voting biases. Republican voters will vote along the lines moreso than Democrat voters because democrat voters look for change (within their own definition) while republican voters look for stablity.

Add to the fact that 20% of the U.S. believes Jesus is going to come back in a blinding flash of light the day after next and you've got a very uneducated, uniformed REPUBLICAN BIASED electorate.

I am digging up the O'Reilley quotes for you. The fun part is, even if he didn't say it yesterday, I can wait for him to say it tomorrow.

Ah, I didn't realize that Christianity was a solely American phenomenon. Thanks for cleraing that up for me. I also didn't realize that being Christian makes you uneducated and uniformed. Further, I didn't realize that the democratic party is void of Christians! All great information to have. THANKS!!

I guarantee you won't hear O'Reilly say that. It's obvious you don't listen to his radio show or you would know that. You've just gone on with what all the liberals tell you that O'Reilly is a republican party liner who will say anything to build up the administration. That is a far cry from the truth. That applies to Sean Hannity and Rush Limbaugh, not to Bill O'Reilly.

You're starting to get a little cocky BTW.

[Daradon]

Originally Posted by Displaced Flames fan

Ah, I didn't realize that Christianity was a solely American phenomenon. Thanks for cleraing that up for me. I also didn't realize that being Christian makes you uneducated and uniformed. Further, I didn't realize that the democratic party is void of Christians! All great information to have. THANKS!!

I guarantee you won't hear O'Reilly say that. It's obvious you don't listen to his radio show or you would know that. You've just gone on with what all the liberals tell you that O'Reilly is a republican party liner who will say anything to build up the administration. That is a far cry from the truth. That applies to Sean Hannity and Rush Limbaugh, not to Bill O'Reilly.

You're starting to get a little cocky BTW.

The current trend of christian fundamentalism does appear to be though, and that is my point.

I have many christian friends. Many are informed and enlightened. If you bothered to read my last page of text with Johnny you'll see I'm questioning the fundamentalists, not the christians. And on both sides. I am questioning religious fundamentalists and yes raputurists.

And I will always do so.

Best link I could come up with on short notice.

http://www.livescience.com/humanbiol..._evo_rank.html

Cocky? Don't mean to be cocky. Rather just fed up with all the conservative hypocracy and not letting it go this time.

[Daradon]

And I apparently listen as much to Bill as you read my last page of text. Go forward with my argument and I'll answer that.

[Displaced Flames fan]

Originally Posted by Daradon

The current trend of christian fundamentalism does appear to be though, and that is my point.

I have many christian friends. Many are informed and enlightened. If you bothered to read my last page of text with Johnny you'll see I'm questioning the fundamentalists, not the christians. And on both sides. I am questioning religious fundamentalists and yes raputurists.

And I will always do so.

Best link I could come up with on short notice.

http://www.livescience.com/humanbiol..._evo_rank.html

Cocky? Don't mean to be cocky. Rather just fed up with all the conservative hypocracy and not letting it go this time.

That's fine and dandy, but you are attributing numbers to that fundamentalism and assigning them to the Republican Party based on nothing.

How did we get to Republican hypocracy again? You've completely lost me. I don't even know what argument you are trying to make anymore.

[Displaced Flames fan]

Originally Posted by Daradon

And I apparently listen as much to Bill as you read my last page of text. Go forward with my argument and I'll answer that.

Huh?

[Daradon]

Originally Posted by Displaced Flames fan

Huh?

To clarify,

I will pour over Bill's radio tapes much further to find what you are telling me he didn't or even WON'T say, when you base your argument on what I was acutally arguing over the last page. Contrary to your first post and claim back at 2:05 PM MST I did not ever say christianity was an american phenomonen. I also did not argue that christianity was unenlightened.

I did however take issue to fundamentalists including christian raputurists. (also including muslim jihaders, african cultists, white supremists, heck wiccan terrorists if they exist though I know of no examples) Esp those that would change free laws to suit their religion.

[Daradon]

Originally Posted by Displaced Flames fan

That's fine and dandy, but you are attributing numbers to that fundamentalism and assigning them to the Republican Party based on nothing.

How did we get to Republican hypocracy again? You've completely lost me. I don't even know what argument you are trying to make anymore.

I am attributing numbers to a poll that staes that 20% of Americans (much MUCH higher than anywhere else in 1st or 2nd world) believes in the rapture. I am continuing a line of logic that suggests that VAST majority of these people are republican voters.

Are you serioiusly suggesting that a significant portion of rapturists are democratic voters? Are you seriously asking for proof of that?

[Daradon]

As for the hypocracy, it's been a bad week for it but I addressed it already. Please take the time to read all of my posts before jumping in. I addressed the last batch of it in a 1-2 point format.

[Iowa_Flames_Fan]

Originally Posted by Displaced Flames fan

Huh?

Yeah, this thread's giving me a headache too.

On the other hand, O'Reilly aside, FoxNews HAS been working pretty hard to make this a democratic problem, and not a Republican one. Hannity, who is admittedly a widely recognized idiot, commented that the Lewinsky situation was "not that different," and noted that a democrat had done something worse 23 years ago. That's fairly twisted logic.

In truth, this shouldn't BE a party issue at all. It's about a congressman who did something terrible--who is a sick, sick person, and should be brought to justice swiftly. His party affiliation isn't relevant.

What makes "party" relevant is the chicken-**** way the GOP has handled this situation from the start. Dennis Hastert's office has known that Foley was having inappropriate contact with minors for at least TWO YEARS. They did nothing, knowing that the resulting firestorm would be politically damaging. Now, all the finger-pointing and transference of blame that the GOP is attempting (through their "organ" Fox News.... ) just makes this seem like more of a partisan issue.

If they had handled this situation correctly from the beginning--by first acting to protect the children who work as pages and second by treating this as Foley's problem, not the party's, all of this would look different now. As it stands, Hastert is in the unenviable position of having sacrificed the safety of children for political gain.

None of which is to say that the Dems would never have acted similarly--just my thoughts on why this is a problem for the GOP.

[Displaced Flames fan]

Originally Posted by Daradon

To clarify,

I will pour over Bill's radio tapes much further to find what you are telling me he didn't or even WON'T say, when you base your argument on what I was acutally arguing over the last page. Contrary to your first post and claim back at 2:05 PM MST I did not ever say christianity was an american phenomonen. I also did not argue that christianity was unenlightened.

I did however take issue to fundamentalists including christian raputurists. (also including muslim jihaders, african cultists, white supremists, heck wiccan terrorists if they exist though I know of no examples) Esp those that would change free laws to suit their religion.

Well there is no arguing to be done then...because I will vote for a candidate's opponent if I know said candidate to be an evangelical Christian. It has no place in government.

A person being religious is fine. Most religions can provide a decent basis for morality. When religion crosses the line into radical fundamentalism then I have a problem.

So how exactly I'm supposed to debate this with you I don't know.

[Displaced Flames fan]

Originally Posted by Daradon

I am attributing numbers to a poll that staes that 20% of Americans (much MUCH higher than anywhere else in 1st or 2nd world) believes in the rapture. I am continuing a line of logic that suggests that VAST majority of these people are republican voters.

Are you serioiusly suggesting that a significant portion of rapturists are democratic voters? Are you seriously asking for proof of that?

I'm not asking for proof, but I'd be willing to be the number is much, much higher than you are suggesting.

2 words for you...

Catholic Democrats.

Huge demographic and 'all catholics' believe in the rapture.

[Displaced Flames fan]

Originally Posted by Iowa_Flames_Fan

Yeah, this thread's giving me a headache too.

On the other hand, O'Reilly aside, FoxNews HAS been working pretty hard to make this a democratic problem, and not a Republican one. Hannity, who is admittedly a widely recognized idiot, commented that the Lewinsky situation was "not that different," and noted that a democrat had done something worse 23 years ago. That's fairly twisted logic.

In truth, this shouldn't BE a party issue at all. It's about a congressman who did something terrible--who is a sick, sick person, and should be brought to justice swiftly. His party affiliation isn't relevant.

What makes "party" relevant is the chicken-**** way the GOP has handled this situation from the start. Dennis Hastert's office has known that Foley was having inappropriate contact with minors for at least TWO YEARS. They did nothing, knowing that the resulting firestorm would be politically damaging. Now, all the finger-pointing and transference of blame that the GOP is attempting (through their "organ" Fox News.... ) just makes this seem like more of a partisan issue.

If they had handled this situation correctly from the beginning--by first acting to protect the children who work as pages and second by treating this as Foley's problem, not the party's, all of this would look different now. As it stands, Hastert is in the unenviable position of having sacrificed the safety of children for political gain.

None of which is to say that the Dems would never have acted similarly--just my thoughts on why this is a problem for the GOP.

Yep, I agree with you 100%.

[Flame On]

Originally Posted by Displaced Flames fan

Not really if...

1. The activity has ceased.
2. They were giving him the opportunity to address the issue himself before initiating an investigation.

It seems that this guy only resigned because the heat was about to get turned up.

He should be prosecuted and do jail time.

Britt Hume is on drugs.

If he should be prosecuted and do jail tiem, that would mean he did criminal acts in your opinion? So why is it not disgusting, borderline criminal, of them not to have turned in someone doing criminal acts? Is it normal to let criminals dot their I's and cross their T's before turning them in if you know they're up to no good?

[Displaced Flames fan]

Originally Posted by Flame On

If he should be prosecuted and do jail tiem, that would mean he did criminal acts in your opinion? So why is it not disgusting, borderline criminal, of them not to have turned in someone doing criminal acts? Is it normal to let criminals dot their I's and cross their T's before turning them in if you know they're up to no good?

I'm saying that it wouldn't be shocking or unethical if he was given a small amount of time to bring it forward on his own....IF, and I said this in the post you quoted, the activity had ceased and evidence was not compromised.

It happens all the time.

The sad truth here is starting to look as if people on both sides of the aisle knew about it for an extended period of time and did nothing for various unsavory reasons.

Those folks may be even more disgusting than Foley himself.

And yes, I do believe he committed a crime on some level. Whether that is solicitation of a minor or illegal use of interstate phone lines or some other violation remains to be seen.

[Flame On]

/\ I never considered the legality or ethics under those circumstances. Interesting stuff.

[Flash Walken]

Originally Posted by Displaced Flames fan

Um...again...you were talking about voting bases.

and I am NOT with the party.

But I'll play your game....

DEMOS, as you call them, have practiced polarization of the country by proclaiming EVERYTHING the present administration has done to be BAD. That is the ultimate form of polarization....ie "You can't support this policy because it comes from THIS administration".

what do you think the administration has done right?

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by Daradon

NY got it the worst, but they were the most willing to forgive. Meanwhile the south, who really only got their pride broken, ask for war.

Good grief i have read some odd things from the ant--Bush crowd, but this one takes the cake.

What does this mean exactly?

I live in the "South" and I certainly don't recall a referendum nor survey from the government on deciding to "ask for war" or not.


Me thinks you haven't a clue as to this claim.

[Lanny_MacDonald]

Originally Posted by Calgaryborn

The Congressman has stepped down. The Police were informed about the allegations by the Republican party long before it was revealed to the general public by the news story. To date there is no evidence that Foley committed a crime; At least no one has indicated that possibility. A 54 year old man trying to pick up a 16 year old boy(or girl for that matter) is repulsive but, that doesn't mean that it is illegal.

WTF??? He's broken about a dozen statutes, many of the felonies that would have the average Joe in the clink with "Cho-Mo" tatooed on his forehead and "enter here" tatooed on his ass. How ANYONE can defend this piece of trash is beyond me, yet here is the "Christian" at it again, looking past the obvious sins of one sick mofo to because of political alliance. If this were anyone but a Republican representative, you'd be howling and demanding we send his soul to it's rightful place, hell.

As for Foley being a good Christian man: God is clear in His scriptures that he hates sodomy. Conservatives as a rule don't condone immorality just because they like a person's politics. Situation ethics is more a plank of those godless Democrats and the main stream media that serves them.

Bull****. There is no party more engaged in situational ethics than the Republicans. The Republicans are supposed to be the party of "family values" yet they are routinely caught lying, taking bribes, and playing to lobbiests. Now they are caught with a Cho-Mo in their midst and have been protecting him. Nice stuff. Real family values there. Conservatives are the biggest bunch of hypocrites around. It makes my stomach turn to think I once considered myself one of them.