Father kills man who molested his daughter

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Originally Posted by jolinar of malkshor

I don't think threatening them will make them stop doing what they are doing. However, there is no point in arguing Capital Punishment because it is an issue that most people will not change their mind about. Or at least admit that they have changed their mind.

As for more people then before....well I don't think there is a change in the per capita. There is more because we have more people. There are also more being caught (and then being let back out).

These are the problems, first I dont understand why people are against it, molesters, rapists, murderers, all types of people should be up for the death penalty, I dont know why society wants to protect them.

Plus we give them like 5 years and let them back out with a warning... yea reaaaaal affective. Like that guy who kidnapped those two kids.. he's been in and out what twice now? This is not right! whos to say the next time he wont escalate to killing his victims too???

It just feels like punishment these days is more of a slap on the wrist.

[jolinar of malkshor]

Originally Posted by Flames Fan 12

These are the problems, first I dont understand why people are against it, molesters, rapists, murderers, all types of people should be up for the death penalty, I dont know why society wants to protect them.

Plus we give them like 5 years and let them back out with a warning... yea reaaaaal affective. Like that guy who kidnapped those two kids.. he's been in and out what twice now? This is not right! whos to say the next time he wont escalate to killing his victims too???

It just feels like punishment these days is more of a slap on the wrist.

I would agree that the current criminal justice system in Canada needs a MAJOR overhaul. And thank goodness the Conservatives are doing something...not enough but something.

As for the Death Penalty...it's not about protecting them. I feel that no other person has the right to take another persons life. If we started to kill them....well....we wouldn't be any better than they are IMO. I also think that is the easy way out for them. Really would you rather stay in jail for your entire life (which usually doesn't happen at the present) or take the easy way out and be killed?

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Originally Posted by Maritime Q-Scout

I'm just going to toss this idea out there,

the point of putting someone in jail is two-fold is it not? (lawyers and law students correct me on this one)

Either:

a) to reform the criminal into a functioning member of society; or
b) to remove them from society because they are a threat to the social well being

I don't believe the father would really fall into either category. Wouldn't another form of punishment be more fitting? Fine? Community Service? I dunno, just something to debate and talk about really.

I'm not sure about the official objectives behind the legal system, but I would guess you can add

c)punishments
d)setting standards and common law for others to act by

Letting the father off too easy would not address either of these and would set a dangerous precedent for talking the law into your own hands.

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Originally Posted by jolinar of malkshor

I would agree that the current criminal justice system in Canada needs a MAJOR overhaul. And thank goodness the Conservatives are doing something...not enough but something.

As for the Death Penalty...it's not about protecting them. I feel that no other person has the right to take another persons life. If we started to kill them....well....we wouldn't be any better than they are IMO. I also think that is the easy way out for them. Really would you rather stay in jail for your entire life (which usually doesn't happen at the present) or take the easy way out and be killed?

True, I guess I'm just a believer in "an eye for an eye". Plus I guess I really dont know what prison is like... if it was hell, more than a country club with bars, then alright. I just have no tolerance for people who commit dispicable crimes and would want them to pay... Its sounds bad but if you took an approach of shall we say "feed em to the wolves" and give them a taste of the fear and torture that they put their victims through. I've been called a dictator for having this opinion but commiting somthing horrible needs an equal or greater punishment. IMO

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Originally Posted by Flames Fan 12

These are the problems, first I dont understand why people are against it, molesters, rapists, murderers, all types of people should be up for the death penalty, I dont know why society wants to protect them.

People are usually against it for 2 reasons:
1)If mistakes are made, innocent people may be killed. (and this does happen where capital punishment is used)

2) There's no evidence that capital punishment will decrease crime. Infact, it has shown to do the opposite.

Plus we give them like 5 years and let them back out with a warning... yea reaaaaal affective. Like that guy who kidnapped those two kids.. he's been in and out what twice now? This is not right! whos to say the next time he wont escalate to killing his victims too???

It just feels like punishment these days is more of a slap on the wrist.

Who's to say anyone won't kill? Are you suggesting that we punish him for murders he hasn't commited?
maybe his punishment for kidnapping should be harsher, but it still has to fit the crime. Not a hypothetical future crime that he hasn't commited.

And punishment for murder is not 5 years. Not sure where you're getting that from?

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Originally Posted by MarchHare

Not to derail this thread into a capital punishment debate, but it's been demonstrated numerous times that the death penalty is not a deterrant. It would especially be a very ineffective against child molesters, since they act out of impulse; they're "hard-wired" to do the sick things they do, to repeat jolinar's claim.

I am against the death penalty, but you must agree that a CM that get's one will never do that again, no?

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Originally Posted by Winsor_Pilates

People are usually against it for 2 reasons:
1)If mistakes are made, innocent people may be killed. (and this does happen where capital punishment is used)

2) There's no evidence that capital punishment will decrease crime. Infact, it has shown to do the opposite.


Who's to say anyone won't kill? Are you suggesting that we punish him for murders he hasn't commited?
maybe his punishment for kidnapping should be harsher, but it still has to fit the crime. Not a hypothetical future crime that he hasn't commited.

And punishment for murder is not 5 years. Not sure where you're getting that from?

I know he didn't kill anybody, his original sentence was for pedofilia or somthing. Either way he was in and out twice I believe, a repeat offender and the second offence was worse. For these he only recieved like 8 years or somthing... I'm just saying that more precautions should be taken before he escalates to the point of killing. The fact hes a repeat offender doesn't give alot of hope to him getting better, and the punishment he recieved didn't seem to fit.