Harper to Bring Home Evacuees on Government Plane

[flames_1987]

I'm not even a Harper supporter myself but I think he's handled this the best he could. Just turning on CBC though there just killing him in the media.

Some dad in tears because his son his dehidradted, people saying they we're treated like animals because they had to sleep on the floor. boo freaking hoo! A ship that usually holds 120 and was forced to hold 250. What the hell we're you expecting? Beds for everyone? Be freaking grateful your still alive, one passanger said they could hear bombs going off only 5 minutes away from the ship.

[RougeUnderoos]

Originally Posted by jolinar of malkshor

I agree, the point I am making is that instead of the media focusing in on the positive outcome, the are focusing in on the negative, which really isnt their.

You know, it sounds like you have a little case of conspiracytheoryitis of your own. You should get that checked out.

[peter12]

Originally Posted by RougeUnderoos

You know, it sounds like you have a little case of conspiracytheoryitis of your own. You should get that checked out.

Dude, I've been working on the political scene for quite some time. I'm an open minded fella who works with very open minded people. If you don't think the Canadian media has a very serious (L)iberal partisan bent, then it's time you started paying attention.

[Resolute 14]

Originally Posted by flames_1987

I'm not even a Harper supporter myself but I think he's handled this the best he could. Just turning on CBC though there just killing him in the media.

Some dad in tears because his son his dehidradted, people saying they we're treated like animals because they had to sleep on the floor. boo freaking hoo! A ship that usually holds 120 and was forced to hold 250. What the hell we're you expecting? Beds for everyone? Be freaking grateful your still alive, one passanger said they could hear bombs going off only 5 minutes away from the ship.

God, no kidding. I'm sure the Canadian government could have chartered a few cruise liners loaded with genuine filtered Colorado stream water, steak and lobster for the evacuees, provided they were willing to wait a month for all this to be ready.

They are bloody refugees evacuating a war zone. Like every other mass refugee exodus in history, the road to saftey is perilous and unpleasant. They should just be glad someone cared enough about them to rescue them.

[Mr.Coffee]

Originally Posted by Snakeeye

God, no kidding. I'm sure the Canadian government could have chartered a few cruise liners loaded with genuine filtered Colorado stream water, steak and lobster for the evacuees, provided they were willing to wait a month for all this to be ready.

They are bloody refugees evacuating a war zone. Like every other mass refugee exodus in history, the road to saftey is perilous and unpleasant. They should just be glad someone cared enough about them to rescue them.

Yeah I agree with all that was recently written above, but again I reiterate that if somebody was interviewing me and bombs were going off all around me I probably wouldn't be the kindest interview either.

[Azure]

Originally Posted by Mr.Coffee

Yeah I agree with all that was recently written above, but again I reiterate that if somebody was interviewing me and bombs were going off all around me I probably wouldn't be the kindest interview either.

Thing is, the government risked their butt to go in a get you out of where the bombs were being dropped.

Surely that should show some thankfullness.

[Mr.Coffee]

Originally Posted by Azure

Thing is, the government risked their butt to go in a get you out of where the bombs were being dropped.

Surely that should show some thankfullness.

"Thanks...NOW GET ME THE !@#$ OUTTA HERE!!!!!!!"

[Vulcan]

Originally Posted by Mr.Coffee

"Thanks...NOW GET ME THE !@#$ OUTTA HERE!!!!!!!"

Too late, I just threw the dead bolt. You're now stuck in a bomb shelter with Azure and jolinar.

[Azure]

Originally Posted by Vulcan

Too late, I just threw the dead bolt. You're now stuck in a bomb shelter with Azure and jolinar.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by Snakeeye

God, no kidding. I'm sure the Canadian government could have chartered a few cruise liners loaded with genuine filtered Colorado stream water, steak and lobster for the evacuees, provided they were willing to wait a month for all this to be ready.

They are bloody refugees evacuating a war zone. Like every other mass refugee exodus in history, the road to saftey is perilous and unpleasant. They should just be glad someone cared enough about them to rescue them.

I have to agree.

Personally, I think when people become residents of another country, then the Canadian government should no longer be at their service anyway. The vast majority of the "Canadians" being evacuated are repatriated Lebanese who never had plans to ever come back to Canada. We really don't owe them anything.

Don't get me wrong, I'm glad we could help... but a little bit of gratitude is in order.

[jolinar of malkshor]

Originally Posted by RougeUnderoos

You know, it sounds like you have a little case of conspiracytheoryitis of your own. You should get that checked out.

Holy cow. I can't believe some of the people on this site. I hope you are kidding but I can't tell.

All I am doing is stating the obvious, if you dont believe me turn on your TV.

Unbelievable.

[longsuffering]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

I have to agree.

Personally, I think when people become residents of another country, then the Canadian government should no longer be at their service anyway. The vast majority of the "Canadians" being evacuated are repatriated Lebanese who never had plans to ever come back to Canada. We really don't owe them anything.

Don't get me wrong, I'm glad we could help... but a little bit of gratitude is in order.

I've got news for you ALL "Canadians" (wtf is that?) deserve and are entitled to the same services from their Government.

I'm an expat. I live and work in Baku, Azerbaijan. I was born in Canada, own a home in Canada and pay taxes in Canada. Should I be 'no longer' have the Canadian government of their embassy staff at my service, or would it be different for me because I'm Caucasian and born in Canada?

A Canadian citizen is a Canadian citizen - FULL STOP. It shouldn't matter where they came from or where they live at any moment in time. To suggest otherwise, especially when you suggest Canadians living in Lebanon are less than real "Canadians", smacks of racism.

I am shocked at the intolerance I read in so many of the posts here. Too many people seem to willingly accept the idea of 2 status of Canadians. Those born in Canada and those who immigrated - especially from an Arab or Asian country. I'm ashamed of Canadian's who hold those believes. They represent everything that Canada IS NOT about.

Back to the topic on hand - the evacuation. It has been badly handled, and if a Liberal government had been in power, those defending the government now, would be all over this saying it was just another example of Liberal incompetence. How many people have been evacuated? 500 - 1500 five or six days after the bombs starting falling. That's pathetic.

The ironic thing is that the evacuation hasn't been botched by the Harper government, it has been botched by the bureaucrats - the same bureaucrats that are in place regardless of the government of the day. The Canadian embassies overseas are notorious for the poor service they provide their citizens. I guess like so many here, they think that Canadians should be grateful for whatever pitiful level of service they provide. I think that's wrong. Canadians should expect and demand service and support from their foreign representatives everywhere in the world.

[jolinar of malkshor]

Originally Posted by longsuffering

I've got news for you ALL "Canadians" (wtf is that?) deserve and are entitled to the same services from their Government.

I'm an expat. I live and work in Baku, Azerbaijan. I was born in Canada, own a home in Canada and pay taxes in Canada. Should I be 'no longer' have the Canadian government of their embassy staff at my service, or would it be different for me because I'm Caucasian and born in Canada?

A Canadian citizen is a Canadian citizen - FULL STOP. It shouldn't matter where they came from or where they live at any moment in time. To suggest otherwise, especially when you suggest Canadians living in Lebanon are less than real "Canadians", smacks of racism.

I am shocked at the intolerance I read in so many of the posts here. Too many people seem to willingly accept the idea of 2 status of Canadians. Those born in Canada and those who immigrated - especially from an Arab or Asian country. I'm ashamed of Canadian's who hold those believes. They represent everything that Canada IS NOT about.

Back to the topic on hand - the evacuation. It has been badly handled, and if a Liberal government had been in power, those defending the government now, would be all over this saying it was just another example of Liberal incompetence. How many people have been evacuated? 500 - 1500 five or six days after the bombs starting falling. That's pathetic.

The ironic thing is that the evacuation hasn't been botched by the Harper government, it has been botched by the bureaucrats - the same bureaucrats that are in place regardless of the government of the day. The Canadian embassies overseas are notorious for the poor service they provide their citizens. I guess like so many here, they think that Canadians should be grateful for whatever pitiful level of service they provide. I think that's wrong. Canadians should expect and demand service and support from their foreign representatives everywhere in the world.

There are many people that come to this country and other countries aswell to just obtain citizenship. As soon as they get it they bugger off and don't come back until they need free Healthcare and old age pension. That the same for people who were born here and live for their entire life abround and them come back to reap the benifits. No matter if you are born in Canada or immigrate here, there should be a residency obligation that one has to meet inorder to retain ones citizenship. What that should be? I don't know. But it is already in place for permanent residents both in Canada and the USA. A permanent resident has to live in Canada 2 years out of every five. That is very reasonable. Once your a citizen, maybe it should be 3 years out of every ten. Also there are some exemptions to that. If the PR is working for a Canadian company abroad, they are considered living in Canada. From what I understand there is also Humanitatian and Compasionate grounds to maintain ones status, such as having to go abroad to look after an ill family member or something like that.

Now my biggest beaf is when one contributes jack **** to the social system and then comes back to milk it for all its worth. If you are still paying taxes then by all means IMO you have every right to access the services of Canada.

No one has ever said on this post that where one is born abroad makes a difference in what services you can obtain from the Canadain government, so I am not sure where you are getting that from.

As for this comment:

I am shocked at the intolerance I read in so many of the posts here. Too many people seem to willingly accept the idea of 2 status of Canadians. Those born in Canada and those who immigrated - especially from an Arab or Asian country. I'm ashamed of Canadian's who hold those believes. They represent everything that Canada IS NOT about.

Can you show me anywhere in this post where someone says that there are two statuses: 1 for born Canadians and 1 for those born abroad especially the comment about being born in ASIA or ARAB??????? Thats right, you can't, so where are you pulling this crap out of.

As for this little rant:

Back to the topic on hand - the evacuation. It has been badly handled, and if a Liberal government had been in power, those defending the government now, would be all over this saying it was just another example of Liberal incompetence. How many people have been evacuated? 500 - 1500 five or six days after the bombs starting falling. That's pathetic.

What the hell do you expect?????????? Should the Canadian government have 15 crusise ships stationed strategically around the world just in case something happens and we need to get people out? These kind hostilities happen almost daily in the mid east. It probaly took a day or two just to realize that this was a little more serious than normal. Then you have to round up ships to come to the area and let me tell you these ships don't have warp drives to get them there in a few minutes. Where talking days. So walla. There is your 6 days it took to get the first people out.

Lets blame the over sees missions and consulates shall we:

The Canadian embassies overseas are notorious for the poor service they provide their citizens. I guess like so many here, they think that Canadians should be grateful for whatever pitiful level of service they provide. I think that's wrong. Canadians should expect and demand service and support from their foreign representatives everywhere in the world.

While every other Canadian is trying to escape the region, these people are staying behind to try and coordinate the evacuation effort and risk thier own lives.

It's people like you that we are talking about, complain, complain, complain. I have a right to everything. The government doesn't have to do this, they don't have to save your ass because you decided to leave the safe confines of Canada. So if you get anything!!!!!!!!!11 Be happy

[White Doors]

Interesting article:

What in heaven's name are 50,000 Canadians doing in Lebanon?
Surely they can't all be there for a wedding, or a family reunion, or an academic conference, or even as tourists?
The estimated 50,000 are roughly 20% of all the Lebanese who have become Canadian citizens -- about 250,000 of 'em.
Put another way, there are twice as many Canadians in Lebanon as there are Canadians in the army.
Are they all in Lebanon for a visit? Hardly.

Link:

http://www.torontosun.com/News/Colum...1/1695081.html

[LockedOut]

Originally Posted by White Doors

Interesting article:



Link:

http://www.torontosun.com/News/Colum...1/1695081.html

Not much different than this article http://calsun.canoe.ca/News/National...95683-sun.html

[Mr.Coffee]

Originally Posted by White Doors

Interesting article:



Link:

http://www.torontosun.com/News/Colum...1/1695081.html

Wow... that's some fascinating perspectives when you put it that way. That's a good point actually. 50,000? 20% of all Canadian Lebonese in the world? Bizarre. There has to be some kind of reason for that...

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by Mr.Coffee

Wow... that's some fascinating perspectives when you put it that way. That's a good point actually. 50,000? 20% of all Canadian Lebonese in the world? Bizarre. There has to be some kind of reason for that...

A lot of Lebanese moved to Canada during their civil war, but then moved back when the war ended in the early 1990s. They retained their Canadian citizenship even though most were now permanent residents of Lebanon again.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by longsuffering

I've got news for you ALL "Canadians" (wtf is that?) deserve and are entitled to the same services from their Government.

I'm an expat. I live and work in Baku, Azerbaijan. I was born in Canada, own a home in Canada and pay taxes in Canada. Should I be 'no longer' have the Canadian government of their embassy staff at my service, or would it be different for me because I'm Caucasian and born in Canada?

Nobody said anything about you.


Working in a place is different than moving somewhere just to become a permanent resident there. Sorry, but if someone isn't contributing to the country by contributing their skills, labour or taxes, and if they haven't even stepped foot on Canadian soil in several years - then why should the government give them anything. Most of these Lebanese "Canadians" haven't been back to Canada since their civil war ended in the ealry 90s, and certainly do not pay taxes here anymore.

And I didn't say that we shouldn't help, but they shouldn't be complaining either.

Citizenship isn't a one-way street - or at least it shouldn't be.

By the way, my brother-in-law works in Baku as well, small world.

[Shazam]

Originally Posted by jolinar of malkshor

You think people only pay income tax??????????????????????????????

What about CPP, EI, Health care premiums?????????????????

And they pay for all your healthcare, education, and everything else you take for granted.

After Provincial, Federal, CPP, EI a person making $75K a year in Alberta makes $2128 NET based on 24 pay periods. Take off $44/mt for Health care premiums.

Do you what the Tables on Diskette is?!? It's what your damned employer uses to figure out how much your cheque is every pay period.

How about you actually try to learn what the hell you're talking about?

[calculoso]

Originally Posted by longsuffering

I'm an expat. I live and work in Baku, Azerbaijan. I was born in Canada, own a home in Canada and pay taxes in Canada. Should I be 'no longer' have the Canadian government of their embassy staff at my service, or would it be different for me because I'm Caucasian and born in Canada?

If you still own a home in Canada and pay taxes in Canada then you are contributing to Canada.

I'm willing to bet that most of those 50,000 do not pay taxes in Canada. IMO, they do not deserve the same support that you would.