United 93, opening old wounds and exposing some truth?

[White Doors]

When White Supremacists fly a plane into the Sears tower in Chicago we'll talk. When White Supremecists blow Jews up to further a political ideaology, we'll have a coffee. When White supremecists think that all 'non-believers' should be killed, we'll have a beer.

Until then I'm afraid your comparison is not valid.

nice try though.

[Flames-4-ever]

I think the movie was funny because it makes Muslims looks like terrrorists, the U.S. loves scapegoating. Just how they like to expose Canada's weaknesses. I am a Muslim but not a religious one. If you wan't to see a movie based on lies go ahead.

First, Im sure you never saw the movie, but what should they have made the hi-jackers look like? They were muslim, not all muslims are terrorists, everyone knows that. I hardly see how Americans scapegoated muslims too. If there is one thing that Americans dont get much credit for its how they didnt seem to, except in isolated situations, go against the Muslim community after 9/11. It was terrible-dispicable men who perpetrated these attacks.

[Iowa_Flames_Fan]

Originally Posted by White Doors

the vast majority of terrorists are muslims.

Do you know this for a fact? There are numerous examples of non-muslim terrorists, that get little air time in the media. Would you describe the IRA as terrorists? Timothy McVeigh? A little less recently, the KKK were CLEARLY a terrorist organization at their height. People who bomb abortion clinics, or kill doctors who perform abortions--clearly terrorists, but not muslims.

It's usually safer not to make ethnic generalizations that you can't support with the facts. Actually, it's better if you don't make generalizations at all.

[Iowa_Flames_Fan]

Originally Posted by White Doors

When White Supremacists fly a plane into the Sears tower in Chicago we'll talk. When White Supremecists blow Jews up to further a political ideaology, we'll have a coffee. When White supremecists think that all 'non-believers' should be killed, we'll have a beer.

Until then I'm afraid your comparison is not valid.

nice try though.

What if "white" terrorists bomb a federal building in Oklahoma City? Can we talk then?

[Iowa_Flames_Fan]

Originally Posted by White Doors

When White Supremecists blow Jews up to further a political ideaology, we'll have a coffee.

I just re-read your post. I'm a bit speechless, I have to say. I'm going to guess that 20th-century history isn't your strong point.

[Calgary Flames]

I don't see any Buddhist's flying planes into buildings..

[the crispy badger]

Originally Posted by if.away

And just for everyone's information, and as a little request. There is a video on the net of a military test where a full sized jetplane is crashed at full speed into a gigantic block of concrete. In slow motion you can see the plane disintegrating into absolutely nothing but dust and minuscule debris meter by meter. At the end of the test there is absolutely nothing left of the airplane while the concrete is pretty much intact. If anyone has a link to that please post it because I've been searching for it and can't find it.

In any case it should answer questions like: "where did the plane disappear?".

there you go

http://www.squizzle.com/movieview.asp?id=2051

[ken0042]

Originally Posted by greasesuck

Do some research on the internet, cells don't opperate and 30,000 feet in the air.

I would appreciate a link if you have one. All the I have been able to find is info that states that the signal would be weak, and then there's the issue of it getting scattered among several cell towers. The latter might cause you to be double or triple billed; however if I was just about to die I'm sure I wouldn't worry about my cell bill.

[troutman]

9/11 conspiracies: the war on critical thinking

http://www.skepdic.com/refuge/bunk27.html

But the evidence for a 9/11 conspiracy with the Bush administration as the planners of 9/11 is too flimsy for even the most adamant Bush-hater to accept even if it's believed by dozens of "highly credible public figures" with Ph.D.s in physics or theology.

It is insulting and demeaning to the friends and family of those who died as a result of the terror unleashed on 9/11 to build a conspiracy theory on the kind of speculation, selective use of evidence, willful distortion, and innuendo promoted by the likes of David Ray Griffin, Thierry Meyssan, Gerard Holmgren, Charlie Sheen, and others with "high credibility." The evidence for this conspiracy isn't even up to the standard of evidence used to justify invading Iraq: that just prior to our invasion of Iraq it possessed weapons of mass destruction, that Saddam Hussein was in cahoots with al-Qaeda, and that he was trying to get the ingredients for a nuclear bomb that might be given to terrorists to use against the United States.

Transcript: Flight 93 cockpit tape
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/4904600.stm

[Iowa_Flames_Fan]

Originally Posted by ken0042

I would appreciate a link if you have one. All the I have been able to find is info that states that the signal would be weak, and then there's the issue of it getting scattered among several cell towers. The latter might cause you to be double or triple billed; however if I was just about to die I'm sure I wouldn't worry about my cell bill.

Not to mention two slight problems with this conspiracy theory. The first is that when the calls were made, it's likely the planes were flying at an altitude MUCH lower than 30,000 feet.

The other is that some of the passengers used the in-flight telephones on the seat-back in front of them. Surely those would operate at any altitude.

In any case, I'm not sure what grease_suck's point was. That none of this actually happened? What a strange idea. If this had all been an administration conspiracy, wouldn't they have "conspired" to make themselves look less incompetent?

[I-Hate-Hulse]

Originally Posted by White Doors

When White Supremacists fly a plane into the Sears tower in Chicago we'll talk.

-From your posts, I'm guessing you don't consider McVeigh and his ties to Supremacists, and the Ryder Truck special he delivered to be evidence of this.

When White Supremecists blow Jews up to further a political ideaology, we'll have a coffee.

- I'm sure B'nai B'rith or Southern Poverty Law Center could supply you with some hate crime stats, but I'm sure you'll dismiss them.
- There's also that thing in the Fatherland, but I'm not sure you believe that actually happened.

When White supremecists think that all 'non-believers' should be killed, we'll have a beer

- Google RaHoWa or check out a few hate sites. Then tell me if they don't "think" that way.



At the end of the day it's all about people that take their religion or beliefs to the extreme that's causing that all. Al Qaeda is to Islam, as what the KKK is to Christianity. To think that everyone of a certain religion wants to take down a Federal Building or World Trade Center is incredibly naive.

[Resolute 14]

Originally Posted by White Doors

Not all muslims are terrorists no, but the vast majority of terrorists are muslims.

You might want to do some research on the IRA, FLQ, ETA, the aformentioned KKK, etc.

[HOZ]

Originally Posted by Snakeeye

You might want to do some research on the IRA, FLQ, ETA, the aformentioned KKK, etc.

And yet his point true. The vast majority of terrorists are Muslim.

[Iowa_Flames_Fan]

Originally Posted by HOZ

And yet his point true. The vast majority of terrorists are Muslim.

I see. No doubt you have access to a statistical analysis that will prove this, and are merely pausing for dramatic effect before posting it.

[Resolute 14]

Originally Posted by HOZ

And yet his point true. The vast majority of terrorists are Muslim.

The vast majority of terrorists who earn time in the North American press are Muslim.

[Hack&Lube]

Originally Posted by if.away

And just for everyone's information, and as a little request. There is a video on the net of a military test where a full sized jetplane is crashed at full speed into a gigantic block of concrete. In slow motion you can see the plane disintegrating into absolutely nothing but dust and minuscule debris meter by meter. At the end of the test there is absolutely nothing left of the airplane while the concrete is pretty much intact. If anyone has a link to that please post it because I've been searching for it and can't find it.

In any case it should answer questions like: "where did the plane disappear?".

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4q35x...ane%20concrete

[FlamesAddiction]

Terrorism is just a tactic. It is not bound to any religion or race, and it has existed as long as civilization. It's also not easily definable.

Were Viking raids "terrorism"? Barbarian raids on Roman outposts? North American settlers who dispersed natives by the barrel of a gun?

Some media outlets define every single insurgent that attacks a military target in Iraq as a "terrorist". If that is the case, then Western Civilization was built on a terrorism foundation.

[HOZ]

Originally Posted by Snakeeye

The vast majority of terrorists who earn time in the North American press are Muslim.

And in sheer numbers. Period.

[HOZ]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

Terrorism is just a tactic. It is not bound to any religion or race, and it has existed as long as civilization. It's also not easily definable.

Were Viking raids "terrorism"? Barbarian raids on Roman outposts? North American settlers who dispersed natives by the barrel of a gun?

Some media outlets define every single insurgent that attacks a military target in Iraq as a "terrorist". If that is the case, then Western Civilization was built on a terrorism foundation.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Terrorists

This category (and subcategories) is for individuals only. For organizations, see Category:Terrorism and List of terrorist organizations.
There exist many different definitions of terrorism, but the article terrorism notes the following most commonly included elements:

• Use of unlawful violence or the threat of unlawful violence.
• Targeting civilians.
• Non-state actor. (See state terrorism instead.)
• Absence of a state of war (specifically conventional warfare), thus excluding war crimes.
• Designed to coerce, frighten, or "send a message" to the public or a government (thus excluding organized crime performed for personal gain).

Individuals listed in this category have verifiably used or attempted to use terrorist tactics, by the above criteria. Self-identification as a "terrorist" is not required; see terrorism for a list of alternative terms, with both positive and negative connotations.

So your categories of Vikings and settlers is wrong. Nevermind the context of history. You idea would mean all great civilisations were built on terrorism. Which they weren't.

The two you stated....
The Vikings conquered as well as raided and pillaged. (Many Kings and lords of Europe can trace their lineage back to the Vikings.) Terrorists don't do these things. They are not out for financial gain.

Settlers were looking for land to "SETTLE". Terrorists could care little for land or settling.

[Pagal4321]

Originally Posted by HOZ

And in sheer numbers. Period.

While containing my immense anger boiling inside...I will ask you, do you have statistics to back up your ludicrous statements.
The amount of ignorance you have shown in this thread amazes me.