The Juno's...what the hell?

[calf]

Originally Posted by nfotiu

There is no media outlet in Canada for those bands that don't fit.

I'm a CJAY/Q107 listener, son not entirely sure what bands are considered to 'not fit the bill' for the most part...but I think that in Edmonton (EDMONTON!!! :angry, they have a more alternative station in Sonic 102.9? www.radiosonic.fm if you want to listen online/see their playlist.

Seems like a station I'd tune into on a regular basis if a sister station was to open here.

[Andrew]

calf, sonic is an awesome station here in edmonton. Totally alternative. Radiohead/audioslave/modest mouse/arctic monkeys/rage/franz ferdinand/nin just to name a few and a bunch of other good stuff.

if you like the oldies k-rock in edmonton is good. Those two combined give you the good old and new. much better than anything in calgary. we also have the bear (cjay equivalent)

[Andrew]

Originally Posted by Reggie Dunlop

It's a tragedy that Rita MacNeil isn't bigger than she already is.

well if she lost any weight, i don't know if she would be notable for anything else

[Frank the Tank]

Originally Posted by Igottago

I'm personally not a fan of Green Day, or punk necessarily, but I'd say they are probably more of a pop band.

I'm going to hunt you down and kill you for that comment....

[kermitology]

Originally Posted by Frank the Tank

I'm going to hunt you down and kill you for that comment....

Well he's right. Following in the footsteps of Good Charelotte, Green Day put out an album that appeals to the Liberal masses but is really just full of ****. It's cool to hate Bush and write songs about it.

People herald that album as an amazing piece of work. Green Day used to be decent around the time of Dookie. Since then...it's pop-punk extreme...but more badass because Billy Joe wears make-up now.

[Hakan]

Green Day is punk???

HAHAHAHAHAHA

Read up on punk.

[Igottago]

Originally Posted by Hakan

Green Day is punk???

HAHAHAHAHAHA

Read up on punk.

Well, we're opening up a whole new can of worms here. This might require a new thread...I've often wondered what "punk" is, and have never been able to figure it out..is it a set of ethics, a sound, a look, or total bull****??

[Frank the Tank]

Well I'd hardly call it pop music for cryin' out loud. I've been a big fan of theirs from day one, so my opinion is biased.

Music is all in the ears of the beholder, so I don't know what all this debate is about. People can go on and on about Radiohead, and to me, they'll always be a group of pretentious, smarmy, wanna-be-artsy whiney idiots. Everyone's different.

[Igottago]

Originally Posted by Frank the Tank

Well I'd hardly call it pop music for cryin' out loud. I've been a big fan of theirs from day one, so my opinion is biased.

Music is all in the ears of the beholder, so I don't know what all this debate is about. People can go on and on about Radiohead, and to me, they'll always be a group of pretentious, smarmy, wanna-be-artsy whiney idiots. Everyone's different.

The thing is, you're taking the term pop music negatively...I never intended that. Most music we're talking about is pop music..its all pop culture. But nowadays, people think of manufactured stuff like Britney when they think pop music...to me, U2 is pop music..but they are hardly manufactured. Its just music everyone can enjoy. Pop music can and should be good. The beatles were pop. They were also alternative.

BTW, I'm a big fan of Radiohead, and you're description is pretty accurate other than the word idiots...they seem like intelligent fellows.

[Hakan]

Good question.

Punk can sometimes be more easily classified by what it isn't. And in this case, punk isn't pop which you correctly classified Green Day as.

At best Green Day is pop-punk but even then it's a stretch.

The larger question of defining punk will always be contested. I like to characterize it more as an attitude than a sound but right now it is teetering on being an identity based on total bull****. This is probably one of the most depraved periods for punk music with bands like Green Day, Simple Plan, Good Charlotte and Anti-Flag all representing the genre and the belief system in a disingenuous harmful way.

Here's an interesting article highlight what is punk, it's written by Greg Graffin lead singer of Bad Religion.

http://www.badreligion.com/news/essays.php?id=5

PUNK IS: the personal expression of uniqueness that comes from the experiences of growing up in touch with our human ability to reason and ask questions.

PUNK IS: a movement that serves to refute social attitudes that have been perpetuated through willful ignorance of human nature.

PUNK IS: a process of questioning and commitment to understanding that results in self-progress, and through repetition, flowers into social evolution.

PUNK IS: a belief that this world is what we make of it, truth comes from our understanding of the way things are, not from the blind adherence to prescriptions about the way things should be.

PUNK IS: the constant struggle against fear of social repercussions.

[Igottago]

I've read that article before, its quite interesting, he gets very philosophical. The thing is, it pretty much has nothing to do with music..as you said, its more of an attitude..but its an attitude that potentially any person from any walk of life could adhere to. So where does punk music fit in?? Is it the music that promotes these ideals? Also, everything he mentions in his essay seems to trivialize prescription to defined rules..yet by attempting to define "punk", isn't he creating a set of rules for so-called "punks" to prescribe to? Like I said, interesting read, and I don't even disagree with much of it, but what is the need to categorize yourself? Why can't you do all those things and listen to Mozart??

[RedMan12]

I can't even watch Much Music, MTV, or listen to the radio. So I don't know who these people are. Current music has really been horrible lately. I don't even care about the Junos.

[Dodsdomd]

Hmmm.

www.theweb****e.net/nickelback.htm


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[RougeUnderoos]

Originally Posted by CaramonLS

Led Zeppelin, AC/DC, Pink Floyd are just the Nicklebacks of the 80s.

Come on now. Is this a joke?

If we are going to compare Nickleback to an 80's band (something the above 3 are not btw) then I'd say Skid Row fits the bill. Long hair, a nice formula, a few big hits, a fade to obscurity.

I'm pretty sure that Chad Kroeger won't be selling out football stadiums in 2035.

As for the whole "you can't judge music", well why not? It's not snobbery, it's common sense, and we all do it all the time for everything -- books, tv shows, movies, music...

And the idea that "if it sells good it must be good" is just plain false.

[CaramonLS]

And are you telling me AC/DC doesn't fit that Bill perfectly? Have you listened to most of their songs? They sound almost identical.

At least Nickelback tries to make their songs sound different, not that I have much respect for them either.

But those bands I listed above are overplayed, overproduced crap as well.

[RougeUnderoos]

Originally Posted by CaramonLS

And are you telling me AC/DC doesn't fit that Bill perfectly? Have you listened to most of their songs? They sound almost identical.

At least Nickelback tries to make their songs sound different, not that I have much respect for them either.

But those bands I listed above are overplayed, overproduced crap as well.

Well you got me there. AC/DC does fit that Bill perfectly. In their defense though, they at least wrote the Bill in the first place. They never wrote any pretentious and/or whiny songs though and acted all serious about what they are up to either.

I think it's a bit of a stretch to lump Nickelback in with those other bands. They've all been pretty big for about 40 years. You don't think Nickelback has that kind of following do you? Even the head of the fanclub can't be expecting "All The Right Reasons" to still be on Billboard charts in 2019.

[FireFly]

with the number of albums they've sold, and their fan base now, you don't really expect them to start hating Nickleback in 30 years, do you? I mean, people still bust out the Motley Crue every now and again...

[Winsor_Pilates]

Originally Posted by FireFly

with the number of albums they've sold, and their fan base now, you don't really expect them to start hating Nickleback in 30 years, do you? I mean, people still bust out the Motley Crue every now and again...

I absolutely expect people to hate Nickelback in 30 years. Actually most people won't even remember them in 30 years. I will be amazed if anyone is still listening to them in even 15 years. I guess time will tell.

[habernac]

music snobs crack me up. They love "indie bands" until they finally sell some albums, then abandon them calling them "sell outs".

AC/DC is a great band specifically because they aren't self righteous, pompous "I'm really important" types. They crank out the tunes and have fun. They're not going to win the Steinbeck award for literary achievments in music anytime soon. And they don't care. And how many bands have managed to be a resounding success with two different lead singers?

Listen to what you like. Who gives a **** what anyone else thinks? My twisted musical tastes go everywhere from Alice in Chains and AC/DC to Megadeth, Slayer, Dire Straits, Black Sabbath, The Hip...... all over the damn place.

[RougeUnderoos]

Originally Posted by FireFly

with the number of albums they've sold, and their fan base now, you don't really expect them to start hating Nickleback in 30 years, do you? I mean, people still bust out the Motley Crue every now and again...

I didn't say anyone will start hating Nickelback in 30 years. I don't think anyone will remember Nickelback in 30 years any more than they'll remember Limp Bizkit, Tim McGraw or Kenny G. Being bland isn't particularly memorable.

There aren't many (maybe 1 or 2) rock/roll acts that will have the shelf-life that Pink Floyd and Led Zeppelin had and still have. Nickelback is not one of them.