[PGT] Blackhawks defeat Flames 4-0

[TheScorpion]

I'm gonna go stir crazy if the Flames don't make a trade soon.

[Rhett44]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

The culture with Backlund, Kadri, Coleman, etc and some of the other vets was terrible in 22-23 and 23-24 while they were losing.

Then the culture was suddenly great when they were having a good season in 24-25.

And now the culture is crap again with all those same players in 25-26.

Feels like the general feelings are just that the team culture is bad when they are losing and it's good when they are winning.

Know how you build a good team culture. You build a winning team, that's how you build a good team culture.

Thank you. This post should be pinned at the top of every thread.

[Goriders]

Tank back on I see?

[GioforPM]

LOL, all the pro tank people are unhappy they lost.

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

No, the RESULTS were crap, then great, then crap. If you think culture is a function of results, you are putting the cart before the horse, and thereby preventing yourself from ever understanding how these things actually work.

No.

The locker room was toxic in 2022-2023, the culture was bad, the results were bad. The GM and the Coach were both gone as the dust settled on the season.

The locker room was bad in 2023-2024 with players wanting out, culture was bad, tensions rising with their goalie, and the results were bad.

The locker room was seemingly good in 2024-2025, when they were winning, and we all started hearing about this magic culture.

[Rhett44]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

No, the RESULTS were crap, then great, then crap. If you think culture is a function of results, you are putting the cart before the horse, and thereby preventing yourself from ever understanding how these things actually work.



Oh, is that how the Oilers got to be so great when they rebuilt after the 2007 teardown?

You build the culture FIRST, then the winning follows. Winning is a function of having the talent + doing the right things to make that talent produce results. It's the ‘doing the right thing’ part that has to be passed along by example from player to player.

Either that, or you know, there's no such thing as culture and Connor McDavid won the Stanley Cup as a rookie because he's so gosh-darned talented and that's all there is to the game.

Your argument doesn't even make any sense. You are trashing the Oilers culture but they have 6 playoff series wins in the last 2 years and were a game 7 away from a cup win.

I hate the Oilers but sign me up for that terrible culture all day!

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

LOL, all the pro tank people are unhappy they lost.

I'm quite happy.

Anyone on Team Tank is happy.

Team Tank wants the best for this team, but understand there's some time at the bottom required to reach the heights we as fans aspire to cheer for. I'm here cheering for the team every night, it just isn't tied to wins this season.

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

No.

The locker room was toxic in 2022-2023, the culture was bad, the results were bad. The GM and the Coach were both gone as the dust settled on the season.

The locker room was bad in 2023-2024 with players wanting out, culture was bad, tensions rising with their goalie, and the results were bad.

The locker room was seemingly good in 2024-2025, when they were winning, and we all started hearing about this magic culture.

The locker room is not what I mean when I talk about culture.

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

The locker room is not what I mean when I talk about culture.

So the holder of this culture is...the Great Gazoo? You seemingly believe it's some sort of ethereal greatness that no one holds, but somehow it's the steering light of the organization.

[Tbull8]

The current scoring leaders

1st overall
1st overall
5th rounder
2nd overall
1st overall
1st overall

Hmmmm

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

I'm gonna go stir crazy if the Flames don't make a trade soon.

Why?
Why does a trade have to happen now?
Perhaps this fan base can’t stomach an actual rebuild if we’ve lost the stomach for it so soon.
This is what a bad season is. Get used to it

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

No, the RESULTS were crap, then great, then crap. If you think culture is a function of results, you are putting the cart before the horse, and thereby preventing yourself from ever understanding how these things actually work.

So the culture was good that whole time? Because that's not the narrative we heard as fans.

In 22-23 the culture was terrible with all these same veterans, but then it was blamed on Sutter being poison (which was at least partially correct)

Then in 23-24 the noise around the team was the culture was terrible again, with all these same players. But then it was the fault of Lindholm, Hanifin, Tanev, Zadorov etc and all the guys who didn't want to be here.

Then last year they got off to a good start, and then the culture was great and all the noise was about how the locker room culture was so good.

But now it appears like that culture is starting to decline again...it hasn't been discussed much yet but you see the frustration with the players and the culture starting to be questioned. Wolf has shown his frustration, Weegar is showing his frustration, and you're not hearing too much about how good the culture is this season.

I do think you want to build a good culture and a culture of accountability in an organization, but honestly that goes beyond the players and locker room. Good organizational cultures can withstand player movement and the ebb and flow of positive and negative results, and I honestly don't think that truly has been built here.

They already talk about it. Steinberg has talked about it every night this week about "It the team starts losing then guys like Kadri and Coleman might ask for a trade and then the Flames can move them"

If the team losing means those guys will ask for a trade then you never had a good culture to start with, and if the team losing means they will ask for a trade then they were never really that dedicated to the cause regardless.

And you don't need to run guys out of town, but there is a way to be respectful of veterans like Kadri and Coleman, but still trade them.

[Wastedyouth]

Post game loss circle jerk of the same 10 posters engage!!!

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by Rhett44

Your argument doesn't even make any sense. You are trashing the Oilers culture but they have 6 playoff series wins in the last 2 years and were a game 7 away from a cup win.

Read what I said again. I was talking about the rebuild BEFORE they got McDavid… and for about seven years after.

You know how the Oilers started winning in the playoffs? They got rid of all the spoilt, self-entitled brats who wouldn't play hard without the puck and wouldn't listen to coaching – except for McDavid and Draisaitl, who are skilled enough to get away with that crap. Then they replaced them with older, experienced players who learned all that stuff in other organizations. They did NOT develop those supporting players themselves.

As a direct consequence, the Oilers were one of the oldest teams in the league by the time they started winning in the playoffs. They've had a very short window, because if they'd kept the brats they developed themselves, they would have had no window at all.

I hate the Oilers but sign me up for that terrible culture all day!

OK, all you have to do is ditch all the prospects and young roster players and replace them with whatever veterans you can pry loose from winning organizations. Only that won't work if you don't have 97 and 29 to do all the scoring for you.

[memphusk]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

https://twitter.com/user/status/1987026098211987884

Well, that’s somethin’.

Was Weegar in the game? -3, bad game all around from him.

Calling out half the team when you’re ass is an approach.

Trying to do too much hurt him.tonight. He gives a ####.

[TheScorpion]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

Why?
Why does a trade have to happen now?
Perhaps this fan base can’t stomach an actual rebuild if we’ve lost the stomach for it so soon.
This is what a bad season is. Get used to it

They've got four or five guys they should be shopping, no time like the present! Only rumours we've really heard have been vague notions about Kadri followed by a quite forceful rebuttal directly quoting ownership. All I want are some signs of life.

[Roko]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

Why?
Why does a trade have to happen now?
Perhaps this fan base can’t stomach an actual rebuild if we’ve lost the stomach for it so soon.
This is what a bad season is. Get used to it

Because it signals a direction. No need to worry about the classic “but we could still make the playoffs if we get a few more bounces” mentality that this org has.

A trade soon would say we aren’t good enough and we are shooting for Gavin

[Burning Beard]

Originally Posted by Tbull8

The current scoring leaders

1st overall
1st overall
5th rounder
2nd overall
1st overall
1st overall

Hmmmm

Time to stock up on 5th rounders. One in six chance!

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

They've got four or five guys they should be shopping, no time like the present! Only rumours we've really heard have been vague notions about Kadri followed by a quite forceful rebuttal directly quoting ownership. All I want are some signs of life.

How many rumours have you heard about other teams? From all I hear, everything is quiet right now. There's no such thing as one team making a trade all by itself.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

Why?
Why does a trade have to happen now?
Perhaps this fan base can’t stomach an actual rebuild if we’ve lost the stomach for it so soon.
This is what a bad season is. Get used to it

People want trades to lock in a bad season and get more future assets.

Nobody wants trades to try to improve what's happening on the ice.

A trade doesn't have to happen right now for me, but I'd like some reassurances that the team is actually doing the right thing and shopping guys like Kadri, Andersson, and Coleman right now.

I just hate hearing things like "the Flames will only trade Kadri and Coleman if they ask for a trade" because that's idiotic, management needs to try to control their own destiny here.

The trades done have to happen now, but if no trades happen by the Olympic break then that's a failure by management.