[News] Flames call up Kuznetsov and Solovyov. UPD: Barrie on waivers.

[Robbob]

Originally Posted by BigThief

He signed a new contract with Vegas week later. There could absolutely have been a contact stipulation in the trade. (For another 1st?). Do you think making Miromamov a throw in makes the deal better?

If Conroy thought he was a diamond in the rough, lost in another organization (like Yegor with Devils) I could at least understand that angle, but if you think he was just a garbage throw in that makes the deal utterly terrible. For what it's worth I think this was a guy Conroy thought could bust not. But he busted. I have no desire to belabour this trade this much a year later and rehashing old debates but it was a bad deal then and a worse one now.

Not the end of world and no need to get emotional and "not understand" someome else

Pretty sure you can't add picks on with condition the player signs with that team anymore.

There was a lot of talk around then with the player agent driving to get the player to certain teams that the player would like to sign. It did limit the buyers.

[SuperMatt18]

Yeah it was a CBA amendment that you can no long make conditions on a trade based on a player re-signing.

[IamNotKenKing]

Originally Posted by BigThief

He signed a new contract with Vegas week later. There could absolutely have been a contact stipulation in the trade. (For another 1st?). Do you think making Miromamov a throw in makes the deal better?

If Conroy thought he was a diamond in the rough, lost in another organization (like Yegor with Devils) I could at least understand that angle, but if you think he was just a garbage throw in that makes the deal utterly terrible. For what it's worth I think this was a guy Conroy thought could bust not. But he busted. I have no desire to belabour this trade this much a year later and rehashing old debates but it was a bad deal then and a worse one now.

Not the end of world and no need to get emotional and "not understand" someome else

No, there can't. These are no longer permitted.

[BigThief]

Anyone else? lol Obviously wasn't aware of that. Good to know.

[SeanCharles]

Originally Posted by Bingo

Fair but that's overlooking the fact that Hanley has delivered 200 minutes of 56% hockey with Weegar, when Miromanov has been 47%, Anderson 47%, and Pachal 45% all with Weegar.

He's besting all but Jake Bean in that regard.

I think this is also telling us Weegar is better on the right side.

[Freeway]

Miromanov was a guy the Flames pro scouts/dev people liked. Same folks that saw something in Pachal/Sharangovich/others. You don't bat 1.000.


Hanifin's NTC really limited the market on him.

[Dan403]

Originally Posted by BigThief

He signed a new contract with Vegas week later. There could absolutely have been a contact stipulation in the trade. (For another 1st?).

Keep yer stick on the ice.

[1Nite]

I know some were sour on Lindholm and Zadorov, after leaving, but Hanifin the way it went down, rumors from his agent about being interested in only the lightening or Boston, and tanking his value, liked the guy when he was here, but he can kiss my azz, and another in the 100 reasons why I hate that vegas team.

[Heavy Jack]

Find me a trade where 2 x 1sts from one team for a player of Hanifin’s calibre - which is a 2nd pairing/#3 guy - happened at the deadline and I’ll tip my cap to ya but I dont think it’s as basic of a miss as you’re making it seem. Hanifin did have some say in where he would end up, Vegas likely knew he was interested in extending with them which gave them leverage on price, any other team in on Hanifin likely realized it would be for a pure rental which I don’t think helps you in your assertion that Conroy made a bad deal here. As well, speaking to the fact that he made the trade 2 days prior to the deadline and with the amount of teams looking for a D you have to play a game of chicken, if you wait too long the teams you’re trying to dance with may move on and find another suitor; I could only imagine how mad you’d have been if we could only have gotten a conditional 3rd for his rights ahead of Free agency!! ‘Conny could have traded him sooner before all the other teams got their guy and got at least a 1st for him and a prospect or roster player!!’

Conny was dealt a duece, four, six, eight, ten and a jack#### hand and has done remarkably well considering everything he’s had to contend with. I don’t think knit picking at this trade and baselessly stating that he could have at least got another 1st while simultaneously discounting any reasoning behind why Conroy didn’t get full value for a guy that honestly was worth about what we got for him.

Pour your energy into Vegas going on a free fall next year and that lowly 1st becoming a lottery ticket for us!!

[Harry Lime]

Originally Posted by Freeway

Miromanov was a guy the Flames pro scouts/dev people liked. Same folks that saw something in Pachal/Sharangovich/others. You don't bat 1.000.


Hanifin's NTC really limited the market on him.

The options for a potential roster player coming back from Vegas was pretty slim. I might have gone for Korczak over Miromanov, but that might have not even been on the table. Honestly, Miromanov was fine for last year, but maybe just don't re-sign him once you saw his ceiling was below Solovyov.

[Ped]

Originally Posted by Dan403

Based on what facts?

Women's intuition?

No need to be sexist or misogynistic.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by Freeway

Miromanov was a guy the Flames pro scouts/dev people liked. Same folks that saw something in Pachal/Sharangovich/others. You don't bat 1.000.


Hanifin's NTC really limited the market on him.

I thought Miromanov showed some good signs last season after we acquired him. I am not sure what happened since then, but he has looked out of step. There could still be some upside there, but maybe just needs another change of scenery.

[Reggie Dunlop]

Kind of odd they'd be called up a full four days before the next game. Doesn't the team try to pinch pennies with these moves?

[Calgary]

Originally Posted by BigThief

Anyone else? lol Obviously wasn't aware of that. Good to know.

The amount of chest you typed it with.

[Bingo]

Double post

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by BigThief

I don't understand comments like this. Are you suggesting general managers have always 100% without fail made the best possible deal every time? I'll never understand your derision you have for opposing views. Conroy traded Hanifin two days before the deadline, perhaps teams that were interested earlier had dropped out and he had himself in a corner. Perhaps he focused on Miromamov too much and overvalued him, perhaps Hanifin's agent fiddled around too much and made things difficult..perhaps perhaps perhaps.

One 1st round pick from a contending team from a player of Hanifin's pedigree is a bad deal. End of story. We don't need to defend the team at every corner, I'm a Conroy fan but this was a bad deal. Shrugging your shoulder and going golly gee not much we could do chum, doesn't change that

That's a silly thing to say.

This site exists so fans can have opposing issues on pretty much every topic under the sun.

Why are you suggesting that I specifically have a bigger axe to grind with opposing views? I'm an optimist, so I'm certainly on the pro side of things, but I don't think I'm mean or personal or pissy in responding to those that seem to lean negative.

You said something, and I questioned it.

Is that what we are here for?

And "end of story" ... funny to see you calling an argument settled in your favour in the same post where you question my appetite for opposing views.

Interesting reply.

[Goriders]

Originally Posted by Reggie Dunlop

Kind of odd they'd be called up a full four days before the next game. Doesn't the team try to pinch pennies with these moves?

That’s the beauty of the wranglers being in cgy. Bringing them up entails nothing really. A walk down a hall.

[Ped]

Yes, but you have to pay them their NHL salary while their up.

[topfiverecords]

Originally Posted by Ped

Yes, but you have to pay them their NHL salary while their up.

Flames are always good at rewarding guys with some NHL pay, we’ve just been so screwed by bad GMs and the cap for so long trying to bank space for trade deadline we haven’t had as easy a luxury to do whenever it calls for it.

Now we’ve got plenty of cap space so it’s now more about roster numbers and also not depleting the Wranglers unnecessarily.

[Ped]

Oh, I'm not arguing they shouldn't. Reggie suggested the team liked to save dollars in these instances, and Goriders said being in Calgary with the Wranglers saves costs. I was merely pointing out that travel costs or not, they have to be paid their NHL salary.