[Rumour] LeBrun: Flames remain interested in Cozens despite trading for Frost

[dino7c]

I HIGHLY doubt Andersson was actually asked to waive to go to Buffalo

[Goriders]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

Buffalo would be lucky to get just Andersson for Cozens, nevermind more than that.

Frost is better than Cozens at this point from what I have seen

[Robbob]

Originally Posted by Bonded

The issue is Buffalo wants a hockey trade and any player with a NTC likely has them on it. So they are left with young guys like Zegras who have their own issues and aren’t a clear upgrade on Cozens.

Maybe Conroy is starting to ruin my expectations. Bringing on Zegras would be 100% a hope and a prayer the change of scenery would spark him. Until last week where we traded Kuzsmenko, I would not have believed he would provide enough value to help bring in Farrabee and Frost.

[Robbob]

Originally Posted by Bonded

He was talking about Pegula. He met the team and gave the classic the answer is in the room spiel.

Ah thanks. I seem to recall something like that now.

[fotze2]

I figured it could only be Edmonton that is interesting in cousins. Bad look Conny.

[Bonded]

I could see a Dach swap if Buffalo wants to move on

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

If Buffalo wants value equivalent to a 21 year old right-shot center that scored 30 goals and almost 70 points, I wouldn't pay it. To be considered that kind of player, I think you need to do it more than once.

Yeah...this is his 4th full season now and that one season is such an anomaly mostly based on his goal scoring.

31 goals on 14.7% shooting percentage in 81 games that season.

41 goals on 8.5% shooting percentage in the 210 other games in his career.

His passing is much more consistent but that one season was a bit inflated too.

21-22: 25 assists - 9.9% on ice shooting
22-23: 37 assists - 12.5% on ice shooting
23-24: 29 assists - 9.2% on ice shooting
24-25: 25 assist pace - 10.5% on ice shooting

To me he looks much more like a 20 goal, and 50 point player,. That is what all indications would be outside of one season where he rode a shooting percentage.

The real problem is he doesn't look like a play driver - and really that's the type of C that the Flames need.

He's broken 50% xGF% once in his career (22/23 at 50.04%) and his numbers relative to his team aren't great either.

20-21: 43.1% xGF, -4.0 Relative
21-22: 45.9% xGF, -0.94 Relative
22-23: 50.0% xGF, 0.96 relative
23-24: 49.6% xGF, 1.84 relative
24-25: 46.5% xGF, -2.69 relative

[Royle9]

Originally Posted by dino7c

I HIGHLY doubt Andersson was actually asked to waive to go to Buffalo

Wasnt.

[Tbull8]

Originally Posted by Royle9

Wasnt.

Connie just knows that he would never agree to it hahahaha.

[FlamesAddiction]

It would be shame to trade Kadri, especially during the season.

The Huberdeau-Kadri-Pospisil forward combination has the 2nd most ice-time together and the highest expected goals for of an forward line combination that has played at least 150 minutes. It seems like Huberdeau has finally found some chemistry here and I think Kadri is a big part of that.

[Yeah_Baby]

Unless you can get a deal you really like, if I'm a GM, I'm waiting till the draft to see who the BUF GM in June

[MrMike]

Originally Posted by Tbull8

Connie just knows that he would never agree to it hahahaha.

I think Connie wants him to re up here. As soon as you ask him at all about waiving it shows they are fine without you.

Connie was a player and know how it feels to be traded.

He just personally flew to Philly to pick up the two boys he traded for, he is all about respect and relationships.

[Gordon Bombay]

The F lineup would be silly deep if we could land cozens without giving up a roster forward.

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

Yeah...this is his 4th full season now and that one season is such an anomaly mostly based on his goal scoring.

31 goals on 14.7% shooting percentage in 81 games that season.

41 goals on 8.5% shooting percentage in the 210 other games in his career.

His passing is much more consistent but that one season was a bit inflated too.

21-22: 25 assists - 9.9% on ice shooting
22-23: 37 assists - 12.5% on ice shooting
23-24: 29 assists - 9.2% on ice shooting
24-25: 25 assist pace - 10.5% on ice shooting

To me he looks much more like a 20 goal, and 50 point player,. That is what all indications would be outside of one season where he rode a shooting percentage.

The real problem is he doesn't look like a play driver - and really that's the type of C that the Flames need.

He's broken 50% xGF% once in his career (22/23 at 50.04%) and his numbers relative to his team aren't great either.

20-21: 43.1% xGF, -4.0 Relative
21-22: 45.9% xGF, -0.94 Relative
22-23: 50.0% xGF, 0.96 relative
23-24: 49.6% xGF, 1.84 relative
24-25: 46.5% xGF, -2.69 relative

How much does the losing circuis team factor into it though.

Sometime you can't really gauge a players upper end until he gets out of that.

[sa226]

I really like the idea of Cozens. With the Flames trending to not come close to bottoming out in the next 5 years, he might be the best bet for the coveted top center.

But like everyone is asking, wheres the trade fit? How would Buffalo not want a Zary or a Coronato? Andersson sounds like a no go anyway. If Buffalo were to settle for futures, I think what Buffalo would want, would be a bit too rich for the Flames.

Only thing working in Calgary favour would be the list of potential suitors I think is actually smaller than what is being reported. Sure 75% of the league has called about him, but how many teams are willing to bring in a fairly underwhelming player for that cap hit?

[Dan403]

Originally Posted by Royle9

Wasnt.

Its crazy that you even have to say this.

Speculation gets jacked up to ridiculous levels here.

People, pause and think.

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

Cozens shouldn't warrant an outlandish price tag given his body of work. At best could be considered a 1B. Teams are buying for potential, which they're hoping he hasn't reached in BUF.

Farabee - Cozens - Coronato
Huberdeau - Kadri - Zary
Sharangovich - Frost - Klapka
Lomberg - Backlund - Coleman

Yummy.

[Badgers Nose]

If Conroy is interested, it's probably to circle back to check if BUF will take futures, or to make sure BUF knows it's out there to facilitate a 3-way trade. Like others here have said.

You can never have too many natural centres, even if a bunch of them play wing.

Look at the officiating drama show with every faceoff these days, players getting ejected from the circle left and right. In tight games, it's risky and I'd hate to see this drama deprive the Flames of a playoff run because of some late game faceoff win/quick goal in a season where the margin to get in for a few teams in the West looks to be very slim.

I could see the final wild card spots going to tie breaks this year.

[Badgers Nose]

Originally Posted by Dan403

Its crazy that you even have to say this.

Speculation gets jacked up to ridiculous levels here.

People, pause and think.

Yeah exactly! There are serious consequences to what we post here, lives are in the balance. This is life and death business, in fact the stakes are even greater than that. The cosmic struggle between good and evil plays out in threads like this all over the Internet. Think of what might happen to your immortal soul if you post the wrong thing!

Or you could just spit ball whatever you want and see what interesting responses and other ideas Flames fans share, and laugh when what actually happens is totally different.


It's crazy that I even have to say it.

[stemit14]

The more I look at a potential Cozens trade - to anyone, not just Calgary - the more I think it would be more likely to happen in the offseason. If Buffalo wants NHLers in a hockey trade, they are limiting their list of teams because most playoff teams will not want to subtract from their roster and would prefer to trades futures instead. That could change in the offseason. Also, the cap is going up in the summer so lots of teams will have cap space to take on his contract by then but right now, lots of teams would not have room for Cozens’ $7.5 million AAV.

It could still happen before the TDL but I think it just makes more sense in the offseason. Even with Calgary - they might not be willing to trade Andersson/Kadri/etc. to other teams in a 3-way trade with Buffalo right now, but they might consider it potentially in the offseason when they won’t have to worry about disrupting team chemistry in the middle of a playoff hunt.