[PGT] Detroit 3 Calgary 1

[Locke]

Originally Posted by Heavy Jack

So many that it’s still topically funny all these years later; it’s always irked me that posts have never been a kept stat by the NHL.

Hahaha!! I even remember he'd ding the bar and his teammates on the bench just looked like....

"Oh God...Not again...he's going to come over here now and he's going to be in a foul mood all night!"

Ah the life of a Flames fan. All these wonderful events we get to remember and hold dear...most of them are tragic.

[Fire]

Seems like a perfect time to give Kuznetsov or Solovyov a chance. Can't be much worse than Barrie or Miromanov.

[FlatLandFlamesFan]

Amonte the goal scorer who couldn't so many nearly retired stars on those teams

[butterfly]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

I am curious, when you post these stats, do you ever ask yourself if they align with what you see on the ice?

Do you think Weegar is a top 10 D in the league? Do you think Pettersson is a top 20 D in the league?

It's a pretty good model given the data we have. If you have suggestions on improving it I'd like to hear them.

Not anecdotes about what you saw on the ice, because you're probably overrating or underrating play that leads to goal prevention or creation. Any given GIVE_d could be overskating the puck in the corner with 3 defenders in front of the net, or an outright bad play like what Weegar did in the Washington game.

Who do you think are the top 20 D in the league and what are you basing it on? I have time to watch a decent number of Flames games but I am not watching every team play every game.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by butterfly

It's a pretty good model given the data we have. If you have suggestions on improving it I'd like to hear them.

Not anecdotes about what you saw on the ice, because you're probably overrating or underrating play that leads to goal prevention or creation. Any given GIVE_d could be overskating the puck in the corner with 3 defenders in front of the net, or an outright bad play like what Weegar did in the Washington game.

Who do you think are the top 20 D in the league and what are you basing it on? I have time to watch a decent number of Flames games but I am not watching every team play every game.

Is it? If it isn't accurately reflecting what it is attempting to measure, then it isn't a good model.

Not attacking you, just saying hockey stats still have a long way to go. And the argument 'they're the best we have" doesn't hold water if they aren't accurate and meaningful.

[Fighting Banana Slug]

Who are the top 10 D (or 20) according to that model?

[butterfly]

Originally Posted by Fighting Banana Slug

Who are the top 10 D (or 20) according to that model?

Remember that it's backward looking, only for this season, and not a projection.

Hughes, Chabot, Harley, Sandin, Tanev, Mikkola, Lindell, Samberg, Weegar, Makar, Hamilton, Bouchard, McCabe, Kovacevic, Siegenthaler, Pettersson, Byram, Karlsson, Raddysh, Guhle

[butterfly]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Is it? If it isn't accurately reflecting what it is attempting to measure, then it isn't a good model.

Not attacking you, just saying hockey stats still have a long way to go. And the argument 'they're the best we have" doesn't hold water if they aren't accurate and meaningful.

I think so. I linked to the rationale in the analysis thread. It's not perfect as I would prefer a positional adjustment rewarding centers and punishing wingers because of the difficulty required to play each position. I also think that I agree for the need to treat various game states differently, which is unique to hockey, but the results should be normalized to yield a (near) constant number of wins every season.

If "they're the best we have" doesn't hold water, then neither does anyone's eye test. You'd have to give a rationale explaining empirically why you believe so, which is next to impossible given that almost no one has time to watch every game.

[Tsawwassen]

Postgame links
https://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/...f-43be5e83099f
https://www.espn.com/nhl/game/_/game...d-wings-flames
https://www.espn.com/nhl/recap/_/gameId/401688433
https://www.foxsports.com/nhl/detroi...boxscore-42372
https://deadspin.com/wings-handle-fl...rd-contenders/
https://calgaryherald.com/sports/hoc...-farabee-frost