[News] Oilers put Derek Ryan on waivers. Upd: clears

[Enoch Root]

My argument - not clearly stated obviously - is that the Oilers bottom 6 is, and has been, a complete #### show since, well, forever, and they have completely misused multiple players over the last few years. Look at what Foegele and McLeod are doing, now that they have escaped that asylum. Holloway too (that was my point on him).

The argument being: claiming Ryan is bad, because he hasn't been good in that turmoil, is foolish. Ryan brings tools we need and Rooney isn't supplying.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

I know. But you were saying Holloway couldn't crack the Oilers' bottom 6, which is not exactly true.

The Oilers lost Holloway in the off season because he got a better offer and they had already blown all their cap space. If the Oilers lose Ryan, it will be because they voluntarily threw him away in mid-season. The two cases are not really comparable.

It was a sarcastic argument

[Whynotnow]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

My argument - not clearly stated obviously - is that the Oilers bottom 6 is, and has been, a complete #### show since, well, forever, and they have completely misused multiple players over the last few years. Look at what Foegele and McLeod are doing, now that they have escaped that asylum. Holloway too (that was my point on him).

The argument being: claiming Ryan is bad, because he hasn't been good in that turmoil, is foolish. Ryan brings tools we need and Rooney isn't supplying.

Honestly, his wheels are almost completely gone. Great guy to have around, and look probably would be a good teacher on your team, I think he’s destined to coach or do something in this game. Sadly though, he’s lost a lot lately.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Whynotnow

Honestly, his wheels are almost completely gone. Great guy to have around, and look probably would be a good teacher on your team, I think he’s destined to coach or do something in this game. Sadly though, he’s lost a lot lately.

It's the stink

[Whynotnow]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

It's the stink

Ok. Must be it I guess. Have a nice evening.

[sureLoss]

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[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

The argument being: claiming Ryan is bad, because he hasn't been good in that turmoil, is foolish. Ryan brings tools we need and Rooney isn't supplying.

What tools would these be? The NHL EDGE comparison Sureloss posted shows Rooney equal to or better than Ryan on every measure they track.

https://edge.nhl.com/en/compare/skat...egular-8478585

The only place I've seen mentioned where Ryan has a clear edge is one that EDGE doesn't track, faceoff percentage. But having a centre who is good at faceoffs is not much help when he is bad at everything you have to do after the puck is in play.

It would be great to replace Rooney with a better player. I don't see much point in spending cash to replace Rooney with a worse player who happens to be better at faceoffs.

[Enoch Root]

Faceoffs alone is reason enough. But he is a better PKer as well.

And what cash is being spent? If he were.added, Rooney or Duehr would be off to the Wranglers

[Jay Random]

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Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Faceoffs alone is reason enough. But he is a better PKer as well.

Yet the Oilers are 75.2% on the PK. Is Ryan enough better to be worth adding his salary?

It's clear the Oilers' PK was much better last season, and true, Ryan was on it. Either Ryan has fallen off in the past year, or he wasn't the straw stirring that particular drink, or a combination of both.

And what cash is being spent? If he were.added, Rooney or Duehr would be off to the Wranglers

Rooney and Duehr are both on one-way contracts. They earn their full salary no matter where they play. The cash being spent is adding Ryan's contract.

[dino7c]

one player does not a PK make

[Whynotnow]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

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Yet the Oilers are 75.2% on the PK. Is Ryan enough better to be worth adding his salary?

It's clear the Oilers' PK was much better last season, and true, Ryan was on it. Either Ryan has fallen off in the past year, or he wasn't the straw stirring that particular drink, or a combination of both.



Rooney and Duehr are both on one-way contracts. They earn their full salary no matter where they play. The cash being spent is adding Ryan's contract.

They started off terribly on the pk, had been much better than the start but the last few games were not great again.

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by Whynotnow

They started off terribly on the pk, had been much better than the start but the last few games were not great again.

That doesn't inspire me with confidence that adding a player from the Oilers' PK will fix the Flames' PK.

By the way, QuantHockey assures me that this season, Ryan is 8th among Oilers' forwards with 20 seconds of shorthanded ice time per game. Last year he averaged 1:36. It doesn't seem like they think he's up to the job anymore.

[greyshep]

I have zero interest in helping the greasers with their cap problems. Let him sit on their books please.

[getbak]

Originally Posted by greyshep

I have zero interest in helping the greasers with their cap problems. Let him sit on their books please.

If he clears, they can send him down and he'll come off their cap anyway.

[boogerz]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

That doesn't inspire me with confidence that adding a player from the Oilers' PK will fix the Flames' PK.

By the way, QuantHockey assures me that this season, Ryan is 8th among Oilers' forwards with 20 seconds of shorthanded ice time per game. Last year he averaged 1:36. It doesn't seem like they think he's up to the job anymore.

He was 5th in PK ATOI among forwards on the Oilers last year and he's 6th in PK ATOI this year. Conversely, even though his PK ATOI has decreased this season, Ryan's ATOI at ES has increased by roughly half a minute per game. His deployment hasn't changed since last season, but the makeup of the Oilers' ice time has. Over 82 games last year, the Oilers had 250-something penalty kills. Through 46 games so far this season, they've only killed 79 penalties. It makes sense that his PK time would decrease if there is less PK time in general.

He's also 100% on PK faceoffs with almost all of his deployment happening in the defensive zone. If I'm Conroy, I'd still pick him up off waivers to see if there's enough gas left in the tank to improve the second PK unit, take defensive zone draws, and teach the kids how to take faceoffs.

It's practically free and the Flames already have one of the worst PKs in the league. In worst-case scenario, the Flames just waive him after a few games if he's fallen off so hard that he's worse than Rooney.

[FlamesAddiction]

The Flames definitely need help in faceoffs. It's such a big part of possession and if the Flames were better at faceoffs, I have no doubt that some players would have at least 5-10 more points at this point. It is such an underrated stat.

Having said that, Ryan can't play above the 4th line, or maybe the 3rd line. He just sucks at too much other stuff to play him up the line up, and it's those first two lines where they really need to be better at faceoffs.

I guess you could have Ryan take the faceoffs and then tell him to get the eff of the ice ASAP after that.

[transplant99]

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[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Faceoffs alone is reason enough. But he is a better PKer as well.

And what cash is being spent? If he were added, Rooney or Duehr would be off to the Wranglers

Not that it really matters, but those players still need to be paid if sent down to the Wranglers. Cash increases if Ryan is claimed.

[Erick Estrada]

Not a fan of all of the Flames even considering helping out the Oilers especially for a 38 year old center that's not going to move the needle.

[SutterBrother]

He’s 38. At some point the legs go. It’s not his fault.

Honour the past. Don’t live in it.