[PGT] 11-09-2024 Sabres defeat Flames in SO 3-2 (OTL)

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by Number 39

We agree to disagree. What’s so great about the Flame’s culture over the last decade plus that it needs to be maintained?

Well, for one thing, this is the group that made the right decisions to walk away from Peters and Dube at their earliest opportunities. I also think that Conroy has his team-building and roster priorities right.

All of this sure beats the dark circle of incompetence up North.

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[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by All In Good Time

I don’t disagree with you at all, the team is what it is in that sense. What I can’t stand are the ones who aren’t happy with any points and who apparently simply want zero points/effort.



Easy to say if you never buy a ticket and have no real investment in things

Agreed. The complaints are also about things that are just completely unrealistic. This team isn't bad enough, no matter how badly people want it to be.

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[stemit14]

Love the comeback. Great effort. Sucks to lose in a shootout. Always feels like such a disappointing way to end a great game.

Would have rather seen the following on the powerplay in overtime:

Zary-Coronato-Kadri-Weegar or Andersson

I understand the choices by Huska though. He had the four highest played players with long-term contracts on the ice… the four guys expected to produce in opportunities like that. If he went with the guys I suggested above, it would be a story. It would be a question he would have to answer after the game and it would be sending a message to guys like Huberdeau and Sharangovich. I’m not saying that they need that message sent… I’m literally just picking the guys who I think played better tonight and I would really, really like to start using Coronato in a one-timer position on the powerplay - especially in a 4-on-3. And I think Zary is making better passes and creating more space for his teammates than Huberdeau is right now - and he is more of a shooting threat than Huberdeau.

I’m liking how the team is playing but I really don’t want to get away from a focus on putting the young players in a position to succeed/gain confidence. I know Huska wants that for everyone on the team (I think that might have partially motivated his choices of Sharangovich and Kuzmenko in the shootout). But this was a game where guys like Zary and Coronato played better than Sharangovich and Kuzmenko. That’s a clear meritocracy choice where you reward the players that have earned an opportunity - regardless of contract. I think this has to be a top-to-bottom understanding for this team. If Huberdeau, Kuzmenko and Sharangovich were the better players tonight, then give them the powerplay time and shootout opportunities. In this case today, it should have been Coronato and Zary.

[Number 39]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

Well, for one thing, this is the group that made the right decisions to walk away from Peters and Dube at their earliest opportunities. I also think that Conroy has his team-building and roster priorities right.

All of this sure beats the dark circle of incompetence up North.

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IMO that’s table stakes and morality (unless you’re the Oilers). It takes more to build a winning culture on ice. The Flames once had this in the 80’s but have long since lost it. To be clear I’m a life long fan but I want to see this team break the cycle.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by All In Good Time

I don’t disagree with you at all, the team is what it is in that sense. What I can’t stand are the ones who aren’t happy with any points and who apparently simply want zero points/effort.

Easy to say if you never buy a ticket and have no real investment in things

Oh I’m not complaining about getting points. The team wasn’t going to go 0-82.

I just think the culture of the team is fine and to me it has a lot to do with off ice as much as the on the ice.

A guy like Lomberg wins the cup. He could have spent the summer partying and maybe he did but he finishes 1st in fitness. He also chose to come here knowing he has no chance at winning the cup this year, but he still comes to camp yoked.

I think we have good people on the team. I think as an organization and fans we probably need to focus more on what’s right with Zary, Coronato, Wolf and less what’s wrong with Huberdeau. It’s pretty obvious he tries but he’s cooked and by the team we turn this around he is likely irrelevant anyways.

[OutOfTheCube]

This was a trap game for the Sabres after two dominant wins, glad to see them pull it off even if they looked a little sleepy. The division has been refreshingly mediocre this year so they’re hanging around in a competitive spot, can’t afford any more longer losing streaks though.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by OutOfTheCube

This was a trap game for the Sabres after two dominant wins, glad to see them pull it off even if they looked a little sleepy. The division has been refreshingly mediocre this year so they’re hanging around in a competitive spot, can’t afford any more longer losing streaks though.

Yeah Buffalo still looks like crap I’m sorry. Edmonton east isn’t making the playoffs.

That game was more like a 65 year old Holyfield and Larry Holmes slugging it out.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

I’m not sure what culture is being built by being ####ty all game and turning it on just for the 3rd. Or having horrific special teams.

If we are going to subjected to 1-2 goals and getting buried on the PP and PK I want to be rewarded with a high draft pick.

I think the culture is more about off ice and off season stuff. Being prepared to play.

The Oilers were gifted what...four 1st overalls? Draisaitl? Jughead, Etc?

They've still won a grand total of SFA.

Its important.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by Number 39

IMO that’s table stakes and morality (unless you’re the Oilers). It takes more to build a winning culture on ice. The Flames once had this in the 80’s but have long since lost it. To be clear I’m a life long fan but I want to see this team break the cycle.

I think it takes a long time to build a winning culture on the ice that has to start somewhere, and I like what Conroy has instilled in the early going.

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[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by Locke

The Oilers were gifted what...four 1st overalls? Draisaitl? Jughead, Etc?

They've still won a grand total of SFA.

Its important.

What’s wrong with our culture ? Which part do you disagree with ?

By all accounts Edmonton had an issue off the ice with their players. That doesn’t seem to be the case here. We had some issues here as well during the last rebuild. The team matured off the ice after a while.

The winning part will start when the talent is improved. Everyone talked about how Boston had this winning culture just plug anyone in, that seems to be fading once guys like Chara and Bergeron are gone.

[getbak]

Originally Posted by getbak

Washington's PP is only 8.7%. That's crazy with a guy like Ovechkin.

They went 2 for 2 tonight, which will help their overall number (from 8.7 to 12.5 in one game).

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by OutOfTheCube

This was a trap game for the Sabres after two dominant wins, glad to see them pull it off even if they looked a little sleepy. The division has been refreshingly mediocre this year so they’re hanging around in a competitive spot, can’t afford any more longer losing streaks though.

Sabres were under .500 coming in...Flames 2 games above

Its a TRAAAAP!

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by NegativeSpace

I’m not sure what I’m reading here. Did people think that this team was oozing talent at the start of the season? I’m not thrilled with the coaching hire but getting this roster to being remotely competitive and currently in a playoff position demands praise, not criticism. Yes, this team has serious flaws. Are people surprised?

Its the same few posters again and again...
the team is terrible, has no talent and is good at nothing. We heard it all summer and all year so far
Despite this the team is 7-5-3 but somehow the coach is doing a terrible job?

Also, they are pretty good 5 on 5

Huska has the Flames above the Oilers, Avs, Preds, Stars, Bruins with considerably less talent right? Give the coach some credit. "He's totally tanking them!" derp

[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

It’s decent. It’s a miracle we are 7-5-3.

21st in GF
22nd in PP
22nd in shooting %

15th in GA
26 in PK
906 save %

The roster shows they are every bit as bad the numbers say they are.

Not even a PDO heater.

A lot of people don’t know this.

League average save percentage has been coming down the past few years

Currently, 2024-24 league average sv% is .900. Very recently it was sub .900

[Barnet Flame]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

What’s wrong with our culture ? Which part do you disagree with ?

By all accounts Edmonton had an issue off the ice with their players. That doesn’t seem to be the case here. We had some issues here as well during the last rebuild. The team matured off the ice after a while.

The winning part will start when the talent is improved. Everyone talked about how Boston had this winning culture just plug anyone in, that seems to be fading once guys like Chara and Bergeron are gone.

I think Locke is talking about the culture that would develop if the team were to embrace losing as the route to future success. That strategy will get you the higher draft picks, but what then? You bring the cream of the crop of young players into an organisation which has become comfortable with losing.

These young players are then typically placed under immediate pressure to change the fortunes of a group of more experienced players that are used to losing. It heaps more pressure on them, they’re thrown into pressure situations without the chance to develop and likely end up adopting the same losing culture as the rest of the team. Their only hope then becomes the chance to get out of that negative atmosphere at the first opportunity.

Edmonton had what some fans want - number 1 picks, almost all of whom changed absolutely nothing.

Edmonton’s strategy was to get the best young players, their culture destroyed most of them.

[BACKCHECK!!!]

Flames are rapidly approaching the “Playoff position at American Thanksgiving” threshold.

Pretty hard to look at this roster, in that position, and say the coaching is holding them back.

[DeluxeMoustache]

Yeah, it is amusing how bent out of shape people are about coaching snd shootout choices etc

The difference between 5 out of 6 points (awesome) and 4 out of 6 (very good / above playoff pace) was a shootout. A skills contest and a bit of luck

I’m pretty sure that if the coin flip outcome of the shootout landed on the Flames side, there would be a much different tone from some posters

Pretty silly to be complaining about coaching. The road trip was good, save the starts, and the overall body of work for the season is exceeding expectations

[transplant99]

Yeah....that's the thing with shootouts IMO.

People look at it like they're wins or losses.

The team didn't lose a hockey game, they lost an individual skills semi-competition. Same as if they had been on the other side of it....they don't win the game, just the 1 on 1 stuff.

4 out of 6 points on a 3 game road trip is a success for ANY NHL team. It's a really hard league to get wins.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by Bonded

Need more skill. That PP were the Flames top forwards on paper

Well, they get all the PP time, so of course they have the most points.

Do you think Coronato and Zary could outscore Huberdeau if they got more PP1 time?

Hockey is played on ice, not on paper.

It's time Huberdeau was replaced on the PP1.

[Teroy]

Very disappointing to lose in another shoot out. However, I'm enjoying watching the team. I enjoy their effort. They're only a player or two away from racking up wins. The future looks bright.