[News] Solovyov on waivers UPDATE: clears, assigned to Wranglers

[D as in David]

Originally Posted by butterfly

Not saying they won't, but it's baffling to me why teams waste picks on players like this at the deadline instead of straight up signing them.

Because it is difficult to 100% predict what your team will need most at the TDL due to injuries, player development and team play.

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

I haven't caught up from 2020 sometimes either.

[Inferno]

Originally Posted by butterfly

Not saying they won't, but it's baffling to me why teams waste picks on players like this at the deadline instead of straight up signing them.

Because at the beginning of the season they might not have a need for that player but as the season goes on that might change.

Injuries happen or maybe Barrie plays well enough that a team decides they can use him for depth.

[butterfly]

Originally Posted by Inferno

Because at the beginning of the season they might not have a need for that player but as the season goes on that might change.

Injuries happen or maybe Barrie plays well enough that a team decides they can use him for depth.

Sure, I get that. That's why you sign someone like Robert Bortuzzo for league minimum instead of paying that anyway plus a 3rd rounder. At the mid-30s age, players like this are known quantities.

[Inferno]

Originally Posted by butterfly

Sure, I get that. That's why you sign someone like Robert Bortuzzo for league minimum instead of paying that anyway plus a 3rd rounder. At the mid-30s age, players like this are known quantities.

Teams value players differently. Maybe paying a third rounder at the deadline for Barrie is worth more to them than signing a player for league minimum if they think Barrie will help them more.

[butterfly]

Originally Posted by Inferno

Teams value players differently. Maybe paying a third rounder at the deadline for Barrie is worth more to them than signing a player for league minimum if they think Barrie will help them more.

He's on a PTO so I guess I assumed he's looking at league minimum or AHL money.

To me it's not like a Chris Tanev deadline deal where you are trying to actually improve your team. It seems like rolling around town without a spare tire. Probably not today, but eventually you'll need one and have to pay more since you didn't prepare.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by butterfly

He's on a PTO so I guess I assumed he's looking at league minimum or AHL money.

To me it's not like a Chris Tanev deadline deal where you are trying to actually improve your team. It seems like rolling around town without a spare tire. Probably not today, but eventually you'll need one and have to pay more since you didn't prepare.

Flames are taking the risk that no one will want Barrie as well. Playoff teams let another team see if they can rehab a player to have a little value instead of doing it themselves. It doesn't really matter to the Flames if Mantha or Barrie are terrible.

[Groot]

Originally Posted by TrentCrimmIndependent

I haven't caught up from 2020 sometimes either.

You may want to buckle up, 2020 was a hell of a year....

[dino7c]

Its easier for the Flames to carry the cap hit all year...then at the deadline a team might have an unforeseen injury ect. Really for the Flames its not risk at a chance at reward. They want a vet that can play and run the PP for now...chances are they get a pick in the future. If neither of these things work out no big deal.

[Inferno]

Originally Posted by butterfly

He's on a PTO so I guess I assumed he's looking at league minimum or AHL money.

To me it's not like a Chris Tanev deadline deal where you are trying to actually improve your team. It seems like rolling around town without a spare tire. Probably not today, but eventually you'll need one and have to pay more since you didn't prepare.

You see teams make moves for depth players every deadline.

Like I said, right now signing Barrie might not make sense for a team but come the deadline that might change. Whether that's because of injuries, or because Barrie is playing well enough that they think he's worth trading a third rounder for.

[butterfly]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Its easier for the Flames to carry the cap hit all year...then at the deadline a team might have an unforeseen injury ect. Really for the Flames its not risk at a chance at reward. They want a vet that can play and run the PP for now...chances are they get a pick in the future. If neither of these things work out no big deal.

Agreed, really no risk for the Flames. No problem if they do it.

Originally Posted by Inferno

You see teams make moves for depth players every deadline.

Like I said, right now signing Barrie might not make sense for a team but come the deadline that might change. Whether that's because of injuries, or because Barrie is playing well enough that they think he's worth trading a third rounder for.

I think it's cheaper to sign who you want and preserve your draft picks than pay draft picks for these freely available players when you think you need them. Especially for rich teams.

[FlamesAreOne]

Originally Posted by Bonded

Flames are taking the risk that no one will want Barrie as well.

FWIW I have it on extremely good authority another team is interested in Barrie at the moment (One in the Pacific to boot) but he is close to signing with the Flames.

[Inferno]

Originally Posted by butterfly

I think it's cheaper to sign who you want and preserve your draft picks than pay draft picks for these freely available players when you think you need them. Especially for rich teams.

The point that you keep missing is that teams that might not be interested in Barrie now might have a different opinion come the deadline.

And if it so happens that they can't find a trade partner for him at the deadline then oh well. Having him around might be beneficial to other younger players. Sure he takes up a spot but that just shows that maybe Conroy and Huska feel these other defenseman aren't quite ready yet.

[fotze2]

I think we need to play every prospect on the first line, never sign vets, play competitive enough to cash flow to the cap but also tank and be the worst team in the league but also win most games so I keep interested and also need the organization to run like this to not be a laughing stock to attract top free agent talent that we don't really want to supplant prospects but only so we can trade them for draft picks at the deadline that when picked need to make the team first year and be on the first two lines.

[Yeah_Baby]

Did Solo clear? Has he been signed to Quad City yet?

[Ba'alzamon]

Originally Posted by fotze2

I think we need to play every prospect on the first line, never sign vets, play competitive enough to cash flow to the cap but also tank and be the worst team in the league but also win most games so I keep interested and also need the organization to run like this to not be a laughing stock to attract top free agent talent that we don't really want to supplant prospects but only so we can trade them for draft picks at the deadline that when picked need to make the team first year and be on the first two lines.

seems reasonable.

[butterfly]

Originally Posted by Inferno

The point that you keep missing is that teams that might not be interested in Barrie now might have a different opinion come the deadline.

And they know that, or should know. Though deadline deals for players like these seemed to be Treliving's favorite use of mid-round picks.

It's maddening when they give up a 1/15 chance at a Johnny Gaudreau or Theo Fleury for 8 games of Ryan Carpenter or whatever it was.

[Bill Bumface]

Originally Posted by Robbob

I thought it was 12 EST. Is it different for preseason?

Originally Posted by topfiverecords

You're technically correct. It was.

It's now 2 EST because east execs didn't like it happening while they ate their bologna sandwich and checked their Facebook, and west coasters weren't in the office yet due to their 2 hour commute.

My favourite point of pedantry. The current timezone used in areas adhering to "Eastern Time" is "Eastern Daylight Time", or "EDT". They will flip to "Eastern Standard Time", or "EST" in November.

If you want to never have to think about this (and overall avoid being confusing or making inadvertent errors around the time change), just use "ET".

[Inferno]

Originally Posted by butterfly

And they know that, or should know. Though deadline deals for players like these seemed to be Treliving's favorite use of mid-round picks.

It's maddening when they give up a 1/15 chance at a Johnny Gaudreau or Theo Fleury for 8 games of Ryan Carpenter or whatever it was.

Just because you may change your opinion of a player doesn't mean you should sign them just in case.

You might think it's stupid to spend draft picks on depth but teams do it every year and will continue to do it.

[edslunch]

In future can we get a title change when a player clears or not?