[Signing] Lindholm (7yrs, $7.75 mil AAV) and Zadorov (6x$5M) to Bruins

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

6 x 5 for Zadorov? Oof.

Lindholm was better in the playoffs, but I'd still be wary of his trajectory.

[Vinny01]

If Lindholm would have signed this deal with the Flames last summer I would have liked it. He cost himself some cash but ultimately is playing in the East for a franchise that has been highly successful for more than a decade. He got more money than Vancouver offered and I assume Zadorov got more term in Boston than Bancouver offered. I would not want to give Z that type of deal but it is not an albatross because he is a highly effective third pairing guy who can play up in the lineup when needed and steps up his game in the playoffs.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by Redrum

Oh wow. What awful, awful deals. Didn't expect that from Boston... or anyone.

I think they're going to regret them both in 2 years.

The only advantage is that Vancouver lost them for nothing and they're way out East so we don't care.

[Calgary4LIfe]

The most interesting thing about them both signing in Boston for me is...


Will the Flames use two TV timeouts to give these players tributes, or do it in one package? I am going to guess 2.

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

The trade is 3 for 2 - Lindholm + Zadorov From VAN to Boston for Debrusk, Heinen and Forbort + 3.5M cap space.

Who wins the deal?

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague

The trade is 3 for 2 - Lindholm + Zadorov From VAN to Boston for Debrusk, Heinen and Forbort + 3.5M cap space.

Who wins the deal?

Lindholm is the best player, and Zadorov is probably similar to DeBrusk

I think the Bruins will that by a large margin, and $3.5M is cap space isn't enough to justify that much of a downgrade in talent

if this was done as a trade, people would be laughing at the Nucks

[Enoch Root]

VAN trades Kuzmenko, Brzustewicz, Jurmo, 1st, 3rd, 4th and a 5th

for DeBrusk, Heinen and Forbort

[taxbuster]

Both overpaid IMO, as well as too much term for each. But that's probably why I'm not a GM.

[Enoch Root]

instead of signing these 3 for $9.25M, why not offer that to Guentzel or Stamkos or anyone good

[dino7c]

Zadorov is one of the most over rated players in the NHL

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Lindholm is the best player, and Zadorov is probably similar to DeBrusk

I agree about Lindholm, especially with the fit in Boston, but I think this is an absolutely insane take. Debrusk is a 2nd line winger.



Zadorov is a 5th defenseman who can occasionally score you a goal.

[Enoch Root]

He's a 40 point guy with one year that was better than that. He's a middle 6 winger. A good player, but - like Zadorov - easily replaceable for that kind of money

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by Locke

I think they're going to regret them both in 2 years.

The only advantage is that Vancouver lost them for nothing and they're way out East so we don't care.

They are going to really regret it in one year when Drai hits the market and they got no money. Unless Marchand retires.

[Bonded]

That Zadorov contract is gross. Not surprised with Lindholm’s

[Enoch Root]

Re Zadorov vs DeBrusk...

I don't really care about models like Jfresh's and Bader's - they're fine as a piece of information, but can be wildly inaccurate, and as standalones for an argument, they are garbage.

I am a big believer that value is defined by what people are willing to pay for something. In an open market, where any player can be signed by any team, DeBrusk signed 7 X $5.5 and Zadorov signed 6 X $5.

If it is your opinion that those contracts are out of whack, that's fine. I - and the market - disagree.

[dammage79]

I've never really bought into those player cards. There's too much alchemy that goes into player performance and they almost never match up solely because no two players are the same. And they may mesh better with other players than ones you're basing your model over.

[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague

I agree about Lindholm, especially with the fit in Boston, but I think this is an absolutely insane take. Debrusk is a 2nd line winger.



Zadorov is a 5th defenseman who can occasionally score you a goal.

We will see how good these stats are at isolating skaters from team effects

[Kipper_3434]

Zad and Tanev with enormous contracts considering what they returned via trade.

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Re Zadorov vs DeBrusk...

I don't really care about models like Jfresh's and Bader's - they're fine as a piece of information, but can be wildly inaccurate, and as standalones for an argument, they are garbage.

I am a big believer that value is defined by what people are willing to pay for something. In an open market, where any player can be signed by any team, DeBrusk signed 7 X $5.5 and Zadorov signed 6 X $5.

If it is your opinion that those contracts are out of whack, that's fine. I - and the market - disagree.

OK, well, that sort of just presumes that NHL GMs are right, when we know they make lots of mistakes every year.

I'm saying I think Debrusk at 5.5 is about right - probably 2 years too long, but that's how it goes on Jul 1 - largely because he is coming off a poor season in which he had a hand injury. I think Zadorov is being massively overpaid due to a strong playoff run and a game that gets overvalued because of flashy moments offensively and some big hits, which mask his downsides.

Of the 5 players there, I think Zadorov's contract is the worst, then probably about equal between Lindholm and Debrusk (both probably 2 years too long), then Forbort and Heinen are reasonable.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague

OK, well, that sort of just presumes that NHL GMs are right, when we know they make lots of mistakes every year.

I'm saying I think Debrusk at 5.5 is about right - probably 2 years too long, but that's how it goes on Jul 1 - largely because he is coming off a poor season in which he had a hand injury. I think Zadorov is being massively overpaid due to a strong playoff run and a game that gets overvalued because of flashy moments offensively and some big hits, which mask his downsides.

Of the 5 players there, I think Zadorov's contract is the worst, then probably about equal between Lindholm and Debrusk (both probably 2 years too long), then Forbort and Heinen are reasonable.

No it doesn't. Market efficiency is an aggregate thing - of course there are mistakes. But it is a much, much better starting point than some chart that Jfresh kicks out.

And as I said, you are entitled to your opinion on these ones. But I didn't find it surprising that their contracts were similar