Could we not have students wear some sort of electrified shock collars? When they're disobedient the teacher just presses a button and swift and immediate Justice is meted out!
"Give me your phone!"
- No!
"Wrong answer Son..."
ZAP!!
Aw yeah...is there an opening for School Chancellor or whatever the hell they call the Top Job?
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I'd suggest the difference between now and then is the far more addictive nature of social media and the algorithms. I honestly don't think the mind of a child stands any chance against that(let alone adults) so self management is much more difficult.
I was speaking more about elementary school, but you are probably right about jr high and high school.
Some of the stories I hear about teen social media use by parents of teens is pretty wild.
I'd suggest the difference between now and then is the far more addictive nature of social media and the algorithms. I honestly don't think the mind of a child stands any chance against that(let alone adults) so self management is much more difficult.
Bingo.
This isn’t a willpower or rules fight. We are failing our children when we allow them to suffer the negative consequences when some of worlds best and brightest are used to exploit, manipulate and capitalize them.
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Could we not have students wear some sort of electrified shock collars? When they're disobedient the teacher just presses a button and swift and immediate Justice is meted out!
"Give me your phone!"
- No!
"Wrong answer Son..."
ZAP!!
Aw yeah...is there an opening for School Chancellor or whatever the hell they call the Top Job?
I don't know, there's a lot of legitimate criticism of Haidt's overly simplistic pop-psychology thesis. Just a few off the top of my head:
-Teen anti-social behavior (crime rates, drug use, preganancies, etc.) are all down markedly compared to previous decades. So it's plausible that mental health issues that may have manifested as criminal or anti-social behavior in the past are now manifesting more internally in individuals. But overall well being among youth would still be the same or better than it ever was, even with smartphones and social media.
-public understanding and diagnoses of mental health disorders have increased in recent years which makes comparisons to the past difficult in terms of looking at rates. Similar to autism rates increasing dramatically over the last 4 decades due to better understanding.
-there is little direct evidence of the effect and it's mainly just a correlation. But it's possible that the causative effect is the opposite of what Haidt is arguing. That is to say, where there is a correlation between negative mental health and social media/smartphone use, it could be explained as a case of youth (and people in general) with poor mental health ending up getting addicted to it.
Not to mention he has also blamed social media on turning kids trans in the past, which seems pretty specious to me.
That's not to say that limiting smartphone or social media use among youth isn't a good thing. But treating it as the primary cause of poor mental health among youth can both result in a sort of moral panic (which could threaten many of the positive aspects of technology for youth), while also obfuscating a lot of the real societal conditions that are making youth struggle with mental health (economic conditions, environmental degradation, pandemic, rise of extremism in politics, etc.).
So did you read the book? Or just google critics? Critics exist for everything and are easy to find. If you read the book most of your criticisms are openly discussed. I suggest you read it.
It’s difficult to draw a clear causal relationship between phone use and declines in youth mental health. But then that’s true of most possible sources of poor mental health.
We do know that children and teens spend much less time playing outdoors or socializing face-to-face with peers than they did 20 years ago. And experts are pretty much unanimous in saying this is a bad thing for child development and mental health. It stands to reason that efforts to get children to play more often and teens to socialize more in meatspace are going to involve reduced screen time.
One curious fact is that the steep increase in reported teen mental distress is pretty much an anglo thing. We’ve not seen the same increase among teens Germany, France, and S Korea as we’ve seen in Canada, the U.S., UK, and Australia. Even in Canada, anglo teens report anxiety and depression at higher rates than francophone teens.
So something besides phones seems to be going on. One theory is that as talking about anxiety and depression have become far more common on the english-language social media platforms young people spend time on, we’ve begun to pathologize the normal unhappiness that we all experience in adolescence.
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America’s Top Export May Be Anxiety
…Smartphones are a global phenomenon. But apparently the rise in youth anxiety is not. In some of the largest and most trusted surveys, it appears to be largely occurring in the United States, Great Britain, Canada, Australia, and New Zealand. “If you’re looking for something that’s special about the countries where youth unhappiness is rising, they’re mostly Western developed countries,” says John Helliwell, an economics professor at the University of British Columbia and a co-author of the World Happiness Report. “And for the most part, they are countries that speak English.”
The story is even more striking when you look at the most objective measures of teen distress: suicide and self-harm. Suicides have clearly increased in the U.S. and the U.K. Emergency-room visits for suicide attempts and self-harm have been skyrocketing for Gen Z girls across the Anglosphere in the past decade, including in Australia and New Zealand. But there is no rise in suicide or self-harm attempts in similar high-income countries with other national languages, such as France, Germany, and Italy. As Vox’s Eric Levitz wrote, the suicide rate among people ages 15 to 19 actually fell significantly across continental Europe from 2012 to 2019…
… People who keep hearing about new mental-health terminology—from their friends, from their family, from social-media influencers—start processing normal levels of anxiety as perilous signs of their own pathology. “If people are repeatedly told that mental health problems are common and that they might experience them … they might start to interpret any negative thoughts and feelings through this lens,” Foulkes and Andrews wrote. This can create a self-fulfilling spiral: More anxiety diagnoses lead to more hypervigilance among young people about their anxiety, which leads to more withdrawal from everyday activities, which creates actual anxiety and depression, which leads to more diagnoses, and so on...
Man...I remember if my teacher called my house because I was in trouble I'd be the one getting smacked around by my parents, and now its the teacher who would be in trouble....when did this switch flip?
About four/four and a half years ago
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For the kids I talk to, and I talk to a lot of them, one of the biggest impacts of phones seems to be on adequate sleep. A third of my class, easily, is up past midnight on their phones. We had a provincial exam yesterday and had talked about getting a good nights rest - maybe that’s outdated old person advice (I’m 37) because half the class said they went to bed between midnight and 2 am.
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For the kids I talk to, and I talk to a lot of them, one of the biggest impacts of phones seems to be on adequate sleep. A third of my class, easily, is up past midnight on their phones. We had a provincial exam yesterday and had talked about getting a good nights rest - maybe that’s outdated old person advice (I’m 37) because half the class said they went to bed between midnight and 2 am.
We have a strict rule at our places, phones plugged in downstairs where we charge things before bedtime. The oldest complains fiercely about how much he misses out on frkm 10:30pm to 1am. Our reply is that’s exactly the point why it can’t be in your room.
Honestly we’ve lost the tech war in almost every way except for that one piece. All I can say is I wish we’d have held off longer in letting them get devices and certain acccounts.
We have a strict rule at our places, phones plugged in downstairs where we charge things before bedtime. The oldest complains fiercely about how much he misses out on frkm 10:30pm to 1am. Our reply is that’s exactly the point why it can’t be in your room.
Honestly we’ve lost the tech war in almost every way except for that one piece. All I can say is I wish we’d have held off longer in letting them get devices and certain acccounts.
We have the same rule and it's wild how many of his friends have zero boundaries. Every morning he catches up on the group chat that went until 2am. He claims he's the only one in his entire social circle that doesn't require YouTube or a podcast to fall asleep to.
Compounding this issue is teenagers have a natural cycle change that sees a midnight to noon sleep schedule feel more normal. So not only is living on an adult sleep schedule incredibly hard to begin with for teens, now they have the entirety of human entertainment in their hands at all hours. Good luck youths!
We have a strict rule at our places, phones plugged in downstairs where we charge things before bedtime. The oldest complains fiercely about how much he misses out on frkm 10:30pm to 1am. Our reply is that’s exactly the point why it can’t be in your room.
Honestly we’ve lost the tech war in almost every way except for that one piece. All I can say is I wish we’d have held off longer in letting them get devices and certain acccounts.
You belong to an ever shrinking portion of parents who bother to give this a single thought.
