The Faith Poll

[Resolute 14]

Originally Posted by Cheese

Why would you consider not believing in Jesus a fraud? I find that parallel hard to understand?

Obviously you are having difficulty understanding, since I never made that statement.

[Cheese]

Originally Posted by Snakeeye

Obviously you are having difficulty understanding, since I never made that statement.

oh...

Other. Believe that a god or gods exist, but find organized religion (or in the case of humanism, oganized non-religion) to be a complete waste of time, and more often than not, a fraud.

So what did I misunderstand?

[Buff]

Just curious, since something like 7 to 14% of people polled cited this as their religion... anybody here believe in Jedi?

[RougeUnderoos]

Originally Posted by Cheese

oh...



So what did I misunderstand?

I think he's saying he thinks organized religions and organized non-religions are all frauds. Nothing to do with believing in Jesus or not.

I'm sure he'll correct me if I'm wrong, but that's how I read it.

Anyhow, is there such a thing as organized non-religion? I mean one that isn't a joke like the spaghetti monster. The only organizing I ever did for my non-religion is just plain old opt out. How can that be a fraud?

[Resolute 14]

You've got it Rouge. My comment had nothing to do with Jesus, as he is representative of only one religion.

The comment about "organized non-religion" is aimed directly at the humanism "sect" that Cheese is pushing. It is organized, but doesnt want to call itself a religion, even though Cheese has very much in common with your average, every day, born-again Christian.

[Hakan]

Do you know anything about humanism?

[Resolute 14]

Mostly what it's top diciple pushes.

[shizzaster]

ok im not christian but i do believe in god. but i think this poll will stir up some pretty intense reactions to like buddhists. remember that simpsons episodewith athat monk in hell saying "I THOT ALL RELIGIONS WERE A PATH TO GOD" and his head is getting chewed on by a devil. that was funny.

if we all evolved what started the things we evolved from? what makes us different from robots? exactly.

[Patek23]

Originally Posted by Buff

Just curious, since something like 7 to 14% of people polled cited this as their religion... anybody here believe in Jedi?

I posted my theory of how things might be going on a while back and someone claimed it was fairly similar to the "Force", so I guess I might fall in there

[Cheese]

Originally Posted by Snakeeye

Mostly what it's top diciple pushes.

LOL...well this should be good. Im all ears..please let us ALL know your inner secrets.

[Resolute 14]

Hey, you are a religious zealot lacking, merely the god. I find it comical how you turn all of these threads into a pupit aimed at converting people to your beliefs. That is one of the main problems I have with all of these sects.

Each man has the right to choose his own path, and those that push others down their paths will always be treated with disdain.

[evman150]

Originally Posted by Snakeeye

Hey, you are a religious zealot lacking, merely the god. I find it comical how you turn all of these threads into a pupit aimed at converting people to your beliefs. That is one of the main problems I have with all of these sects.

I disagree with this.

Christians jump off Mt. Everest because they say it's the best mountain. Muslims jump off K2 because they say it's the best mountain. Jews jump off Mt. Kilimanjaro because they say it's the best mountain. Buddhists jump off Mt. McKinley because they say it's the best mountain.

I say you're all fataing idiots for jumping off mountains.

[Patek23]

Originally Posted by evman150

I disagree with this.

Christians jump off Mt. Everest because they say it's the best mountain. Muslims jump off K2 because they say it's the best mountain. Jews jump off Mt. Kilimanjaro because they say it's the best mountain. Buddhists jump off Mt. McKinley because they say it's the best mountain.

I say you're all fataing idiots for jumping off mountains.

yet all groups involved are pushing their ideas of which mountian to jump off of or not at all, you analogy doesn't work. The point he's going at is all organized religions (I put humanism in there) that push their beliefs on you as "the way" should shove it.

[Cheese]

Originally Posted by Flaming Homer

yet all groups involved are pushing their ideas of which mountian to jump off of or not at all, you analogy doesn't work. The point he's going at is all organized religions (I put humanism in there) that push their beliefs on you as "the way" should shove it.

wow the lengths some go to try and make themselves look better. Please Mr Homer...enlighten us with your knowledge of Humanism as a religion. Please let us know which holy book we follow and which God.

Humanism:

the system of philosophy based upon human reason, actions, and motives without concern of deity or supernatural phenomena.

Atheism is also not a religion or a complete ethical system. It has two main definitions: The lack of a belief that deity, in the form of one or more supernatural gods or goddesses, exists. American Atheists define an Atheist to be a person who "...does not believe in a god or gods, or other supernatural entities." The Barnes & Noble Encyclopedia define Atheism as "The denial of the existence of God or gods."
Humanism is a philosophy which in most cases embraces Agnosticism or Atheistic about the non-existence of a deity belief. But it goes further to create ethical systems based upon reason and logic. It regards humanity as the measure of all things. Humanists emphasize a belief in the importance of doing good in society.

America has more atheists and agnostics than Mormons (by a 3 to 1 margin), Jews (by a 4 to 1 margin) or Muslims (by a 14 to 1 margin)." 2They further found "that atheists and agnostics are dominated by:
whites (71%), men (64%), adults under 35 (51%), residents of the Northeast and West (56%)." In at least one area of life, they exhibit strong "family values". According to Barna Research, they have one of the lowest (if not the lowest) divorce rate of any group -- much lower than for conservative Christians, for example.


Atheists prioritize human reason above religion, specifically scientific materialism, and therefore can also be labeled as "humanists."

Every major city in North America has a Humanist group in which you can belong. They do not get together and sing songs or have anyone preach to them. We do get together and try to help other people, mankind, children, to better understand that you can live a wholesome life without the need to beliecve in the Supernatural! There are MANY other things we do...all positive.
Oh...Im not preaching anything...Im not trying to get anyone to drop their religion, I am trying to get people to use reason as opposed to superstition.

[Displaced Flames fan]

But Cheese, why is it important to convince people that they can live a wholesome life without believing in a creator? What's the difference if they are living a wholesome life?

I'm not sure I understand the motivation...unless it's just like every other religion.

[Regehr 2.0]

Interesting... there's more agnostics and atheists than I thought

Personally I'm agnostic. I don't belong to any organized religions or any organized non-religions. I guess the main reason I'm not religious is because my parents aren't religious and never went to church.

I believe in evolution and that the universe was created by the Big Bang. But what caused the Big Bang? Maybe there is some sort of higher power or God involved here. I'm not sure.

Religion is supposed to teach morals right? But most conflicts in the world is due to intolerance of other religions... go figure (ie. religious persecutions, Catholics vs Protestants in Northern Ireland, Jews and Muslims in the Middle East, etc). So yeah, I'd never join any organized religion.

[Cheese]

Originally Posted by Displaced Flames fan

But Cheese, why is it important to convince people that they can live a wholesome life without believing in a creator? What's the difference if they are living a wholesome life?

I'm not sure I understand the motivation...unless it's just like every other religion.

Because its taught as the absolute truth. People are TOLD that religion is the ONLY way and if you stray you will go to Hell...or some other negative place. I find that abhorent when it comes to children. Yet we actually have schools...Catholic Schools.. that espouse this type of reasoning, with parents fully supporting it.
I teach my kids that we ALL make mistakes, but thats ok, we are only human.
How many ****ed up people do you know who HAVE to go and repent their sins to the Priest? Millions of people buy into this theory and others...that is what I am fighting Dis...myths and lies. Nothing more.

[troutman]

God is a metaphor for that which trancends all levels of intellectual thought. It's as simple as that.
-- Joseph Campbell,

[Skyceman]

Originally Posted by Cheese

I teach my kids that we ALL make mistakes, but thats ok, we are only human.

Does that include the Jews, Christians, Muslims, as well?

[4X4]

Originally Posted by Snakeeye

Hey, you are a religious zealot lacking, merely the god. I find it comical how you turn all of these threads into a pupit aimed at converting people to your beliefs. That is one of the main problems I have with all of these sects.

Each man has the right to choose his own path, and those that push others down their paths will always be treated with disdain.

I like this post. Because it's true. From beginning to end.