The real embarrassment are the couch GMs wanting the players to just give up at the end of the season when games don't matter. That doesn't breed good culture going forward. Plus, fans pay money to see them play.
Guess you didn't notice that guy behind the Flames bench, eh? He's wearing a Flames jersey and wasn't too happy on all the goals the Flames were scoring. Why even bother with selling at the trade deadline and just keep the free agents and just let them walk? Why bother trying to get as high as you can to draft for players you want than to pick up mediocre pieces? Sure, it's great for the Flames to win when they are contending. You might as well hope to keep getting 3rd rounders for guys who don't want to sign here on their contract years because this team falls smack dap right beneath the top 16 teams every single year - too good to be below 20th and not good enough to be above 16th place. Get ready for another year of mediocrity with more mediocre draft picks. Might as well go for late round picks since Flames are more successive in that regards.
This thread is ridiculous. Also let us consider that an entertaining (albeit meaningless) hockey game involving your favorite team was played this evening. Oodles of goals! High-skill plays from talented hockey players! Wild swings! A few saves! Fun crowd shots! It’s as if some of you want to be miserable.
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I don't have a ‘way’. Unlike some fans, I don't even pretend to have any influence over what happens during a game.
The team finishes wherever it finishes. Neither the Flames, nor any other team at the bottom of the standings, are deliberately attempting to throw games. It's ridiculous to expect that of professional athletes who have striven their whole lives long to be the best in the world at their profession.
No team is going to win every game, and no team is going to lose every game. As Ecclesiastes says, ‘Time and chance happen to them all.’
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Yup, those two recent division titles and this year's bottom-10 finish never happened.
‘This team always drafts 16th, except for all the times it doesn't which don't count because reasons.’
Whoopie-do, how many times have the Flames got out of first and second rounds in the past 35 years?
Also, how many times did the Flames dipped into top 10 draft positions before proclaiming a finished rebuild? 3 - in 35+ long years!!! Hate to say it again, I'd rather build around McDavid and Draisaitl than the players the Flames had - any day any time. Tanking and luck is not for the faint of heart if you want to rebuild. Retool is only when you've got a good core to build around and you're just plugging in a few pieces each year to contend. This team better figure out if they want to properly rebuild or just retool to try and get into the playoffs. Its ridiculous for fans to hope to see a good team on ice but yet this team is mostly in the middle of the pack and not good enough to get anywhere. We can always talk about winning the lottery or trading certain players for extraordinary fantasy reurns all day long. Reality is, the Flames aren't helping themselves if players are just padding themselves for personal achievements. Cripes, if the players want some moral victory, win the last game when the draft position is secured! The team is not just the team on the ice, it's the whole organization!
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Just like that, no more Flames/Yotes match-ups. Honestly feels kinda surreal. These are the two goals that stick in my mind when I think of Flames/Yotes matchups over the years:
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Whoopie-do, how many times have the Flames got out of first and second rounds in the past 35 years?
Once?
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Also, how many times did the Flames dipped into top 10 draft positions before proclaiming a finished rebuild? 3 - in 35+ long years!!! Hate to say it again, I'd rather build around McDavid and Draisaitl than the players the Flames had - any day any time. Tanking and luck is not for the faint of heart if you want to rebuild. Retool is only when you've got a good core to build around and you're just plugging in a few pieces each year to contend. This team better figure out if they want to properly rebuild or just retool to try and get into the playoffs. Its ridiculous for fans to hope to see a good team on ice but yet this team is mostly in the middle of the pack and not good enough to get anywhere. We can always talk about winning the lottery or trading certain players for extraordinary fantasy reurns all day long. Reality is, the Flames aren't helping themselves if players are just padding themselves for personal achievements. Cripes, if the players want some moral victory, win the last game when the draft position is secured! The team is not just the team on the ice, it's the whole organization!
Especially when you have to lose just a few meaningless games at the end of a season when you were trying at the beginning. Then these people start celebrating a win as though it means anything. Canuckesque.
Tanking is trying to lose the whole year which we have never done.
Whoopie-do, how many times have the Flames got out of first and second rounds in the past 35 years?
Also, how many times did the Flames dipped into top 10 draft positions before proclaiming a finished rebuild? 3 - in 35+ long years!!! Hate to say it again, I'd rather build around McDavid and Draisaitl than the players the Flames had - any day any time. Tanking and luck is not for the faint of heart if you want to rebuild. Retool is only when you've got a good core to build around and you're just plugging in a few pieces each year to contend. This team better figure out if they want to properly rebuild or just retool to try and get into the playoffs. Its ridiculous for fans to hope to see a good team on ice but yet this team is mostly in the middle of the pack and not good enough to get anywhere. We can always talk about winning the lottery or trading certain players for extraordinary fantasy reurns all day long. Reality is, the Flames aren't helping themselves if players are just padding themselves for personal achievements. Cripes, if the players want some moral victory, win the last game when the draft position is secured! The team is not just the team on the ice, it's the whole organization!
We already know that the Flames don't want to rebuild. I wouldn't be surprised at all if we signed Chandler Stephenson to a massive deal in the summer, or Sam Reinhart. To continue being a murky middle type team.
It is an ownership problem. People use the word retool because some teams have successfully done it, and they will usually use a team like Boston as an example. We don't have a Marchand, Pastrnak, Bergeron, Chara, McAvoy type player etc.
We don't have a core to build around. This needs to be a complete long term rebuild. Which Conroy began by making all these trades. But let's not forget that as recently as a few months back, we offered Lindholm a massive extension. Ownership I fear is not going to accept the timeline it takes to build a contender.
Either way though, obviously I don't expect the players to tank. It is just funny because it so Flames that we all got hopes up for a top 6 pick, and suddenly we started winning 3 of the next 4 games. It is what it is.
Just like that, no more Flames/Yotes match-ups. Honestly feels kinda surreal. These are the two goals that stick in my mind when I think of Flames/Yotes matchups over the years:
I remember both of these goals very well. Who knew that the young, baby faced Swede would be our captain one day
Whoopie-do, how many times have the Flames got out of first and second rounds in the past 35 years?
What has that got to do with draft position? Nothing.
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Also, how many times did the Flames dipped into top 10 draft positions before proclaiming a finished rebuild? 3 - in 35+ long years!!!
Have they ever proclaimed a ‘finished rebuild’? No. Have they ever proclaimed that they were even starting a rebuild? No. So the actual answer to your question is ‘zero’.
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Hate to say it again, I'd rather build around McDavid and Draisaitl than the players the Flames had - any day any time. Tanking and luck is not for the faint of heart if you want to rebuild.
Tanking is for fools. Luck is for whoever happens to get it; you cannot plan for it.
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Just watched the highlights. 3 of 5 go in on Wolf on cross ice blocker side one timers. 2 of which he was noticeably slow to react. Wonder if he has an injury but not serious enough to sit him.
To be clear, I'm not being critical of Wolf, was just a very noticeable thing tonight. Plus there was the off the boards pass too that went blocker side shot.
Don't care if the Flames pick 8th or 9th, as long as they're in one of those two spots. Any lower than that it does feel a bit wasteful. Wonder how the Vancouver game shapes up on the Nick's side. They gonna sit half their squad?
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Don't care if the Flames pick 8th or 9th, as long as they're in one of those two spots. Any lower than that it does feel a bit wasteful. Wonder how the Vancouver game shapes up on the Nick's side. They gonna sit half their squad?
Vancouver will want to win the game and wrap up the Division. That way they can just go for a skate against the Jets on Thursday. By all accounts they'll be starting Demko in that game for his playoff dress rehearsal.
No need to worry about Vancouver mailing it in.
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Can't be upset at the team as they are pros and don't care about draft position. I blame the schedule. This is the perfect end of season schedule for a team that's trying to get into the playoffs with several games against the Ducks and Sharks. Unfortunately they get this end of season schedule in a season they would benefit greatly from losing these games. I'm sure the next season the Flames are fighting to make the playoffs that season will have the last two weeks full of powerhouse teams but that's the way it seems to go for this organization. Never good enough to win anything of consequence and rarely bad enough to be in position to draft difference makers. It's the cycle of mediocrity that's hard to break without someone pulling out the floor from beneath them.
Things were going great until the Anaheim game. Now Arizona and Montreal are out of the picture. You'll be the one yelling at clouds when they pick your favorite prospect in June while you celebrate these meaningless games in April.
There is a lot of real estate between celebrating a win and losing your #### because they lose.
Find some!
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