[Signing] Vegas extends Noah Hanifin (8 years, $7.35m AAV)

[Sylvanfan]

That 7x7.7 projection from that thread of gvitaly ended up being pretty close. It would be that deal plus adding an extra year at close to his current salary. So it's right in line with that projection. He might not get the Robbie Schremp 1300 career points. But 1300 career games seems like a good bet.

[My2Cents]

‘Fair’ for both parties, but I’ll take the assets over Noah at this point. Wouldn’t have been upset if he hit free agency and we signed him for this though.

[Goriders]

Originally Posted by albertGQ

Don’t blame him. I’d rather play in Vegas for 7.35 than Calgary for 7.50

Guess the big question go forward is going to be whether anyone wants to play in Calgary.

[Whynotnow]

Originally Posted by Goriders

Guess the big question go forward is going to be whether anyone wants to play in Calgary.

Of course they will. There will be a new arena, it’s a very nice city, good flight connections, stable political climate, great place to raise kids, safe. The right players will want that. It may mean the pool is more limited, as some might just want the sun belt or anonymous playing conditions and so you don’t touch them. Build a great team of support staff, a great culture in the organization, start to build a winner and the signings will come. Might be a little tough the next few years as players may be uncertain about performance but that will change if the team takes the right steps.

[GordonBlue]

Originally Posted by Whynotnow

Of course they will. There will be a new arena, it’s a very nice city, good flight connections, stable political climate, great place to raise kids, safe. The right players will want that. It may mean the pool is more limited, as some might just want the sun belt or anonymous playing conditions and so you don’t touch them. Build a great team of support staff, a great culture in the organization, start to build a winner and the signings will come. Might be a little tough the next few years as players may be uncertain about performance but that will change if the team takes the right steps.

[Whynotnow]

Originally Posted by GordonBlue

lol, in comparison

[Enoch Root]

I think the contract illustrates perfectly the Canadian disadvantage...

Ignoring the 'does he want to sign here or not' debate (because that is an individual thing), the bottom line is that if he had signed in Calgary, it would have probably been for something more like 8 X $7.75M. Or in other words, about 5% more.

That may not sound like much, but if you have to add 5% on to all of your mature contracts, that will equate to a few million, which means one less good player.

Or conversely, it means that you have to focus more on younger players, and move more of them out as they mature.

Either way, your team is disadvantaged with respect to icing a contender.

[cam_calderon]

Originally Posted by Whynotnow

lol, in comparison

Danielle Smith does not kill people like Stalin or Modi. Not yet, at least.

[Whynotnow]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

I think the contract illustrates perfectly the Canadian disadvantage...

Ignoring the 'does he want to sign here or not' debate (because that is an individual thing), the bottom line is that if he had signed in Calgary, it would have probably been for something more like 8 X $7.75M. Or in other words, about 5% more.

That may not sound like much, but if you have to add 5% on to all of your mature contracts, that will equate to a few million, which means one less good player.

Or conversely, it means that you have to focus more on younger players, and move more of them out as they mature.

Either way, your team is disadvantaged with respect to icing a contender.

This part is absolutely true and means the Canadian teams, or at least the small market ones will need to be better in a lot of areas to compensate for that. Better drafting and development, and a smaller margin for error bad contracts. Can’t have dead cap, need to overpay by just the right amount. The Nurse contract for the oilers is a great example of this. It’s high by probably $2.5-3 mm, which is a killer because of the other issues you quote.

It’s been 30 plus years since a Canadian team won, and there’s a reason for that.

[GullFoss]

I think once Hanifin realized the flames aren't making the playoffs for the next 7 years, the writing was on the wall. He's just hitting his prime and was offered:

Similar money
Warmer climate
More competitive team
US player playing in US

Kind of a no brainer. As long as Huby is here earning $10.5m for replacement quality play, this team is pure suxor. And is only going to get worse as Conroy has entered full tank mode.

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by GullFoss

I think once Hanifin realized the flames aren't making the playoffs for the next 7 years, the writing was on the wall. He's just hitting his prime and was offered:

Similar money
Warmer climate
More competitive team
US player playing in US

Kind of a no brainer. As long as Huby is here earning $10.5m for replacement quality play, this team is pure suxor. And is only going to get worse as Conroy has entered full tank mode.

The Flames not being able to attract UFAs is a good thing. Hopefully they take the opportunity to sign the young guys to as much term as possible. Hopefully set the team up with a bunch of value contracts at the end of the decade when they may be competitive again.

[Funkhouser]

Originally Posted by jaydub74

I suppose it comes down to interests. I’m not really into the entertainment scene and the desert is of no interest to me, would prefer Canadian or west coast. Could be an interesting forum survey. If you had a 10 team no trade list, which teams would be on it.

Mine would be:
- Vegas
- Dallas
- Florida
- Tampa
- Washington
- New Jersey
- New York Islanders
- Chicago
- Buffalo
- Detroit

Honourable Mention:
- Philadelphia


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I like this game. I would do:
Edmonton (
Winnipeg
Dallas (too many guns)
Carolina (no interest in the area)
Toronto (media)
Detroit (uninspiring area, ditto below)
Buffalo
Columbus
Anaheim (I hate the franchise)
Ottawa (until they get a downtown rink)

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by GullFoss

I think once Hanifin realized the flames aren't making the playoffs for the next 7 years, the writing was on the wall. He's just hitting his prime and was offered:

Similar money
Warmer climate
More competitive team
US player playing in US

Kind of a no brainer. As long as Huby is here earning $10.5m for replacement quality play, this team is pure suxor. And is only going to get worse as Conroy has entered full tank mode.

Makes a reasonable list of factors Hanifin would consider, then blows it with unhinged "replacement quality play" take. Is Huberdeau's play $10.5M calibre? No. Is it "replacement quality"? No.

[Hot_Flatus]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Makes a reasonable list of factors Hanifin would consider, then blows it with unhinged "replacement quality play" take. Is Huberdeau's play $10.5M calibre? No. Is it "replacement quality"? No.

12 goals and 50 points is still pretty barf for someone in Huby's role with PP1 minutes and a tone of OZ starts (~72%) with the teams better players. Yes, the team is rebuilding and lacking premiere talent, but there is a long list of players that would outproduce that in their sleep if slotted in the same role.

He's giving it a go and hasn't quit so there's something to say about that, but when you're at the point where even 65-70 points would be a huge win for a 10.5M player, it's pretty bad.

Ultimately, does this impact the Flames? Not right now. It may in 3 years when they are looking at pushing for playoff contention and need the cap space and also have to push him down the lineup to give better, younger players more opportunity. Luckily eating the hit isn't a huge issue now.

[Locke]

I hope he fails hard and miserably, I hope the Vegas arena is swallowed by the Desert sands like a scene out of one the Mummy movies and that the US Dollar crashes so all of his hopes and dreams are summarily destroyed.

And then I hope that theres a flood and everyone expected him to build an Ark, but his woodworking skillz were sub-par and he lets everyone down and in the most improbable and ironic of weather events known to mankind, everyone drowns in the Desert and its all Noah's fault.

Yeah. You hurt me Noah. You hurt me.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Hot_Flatus

12 goals and 50 points is still pretty barf for someone in Huby's role with PP1 minutes and a tone of OZ starts (~72%) with the teams better players. Yes, the team is rebuilding and lacking premiere talent, but there is a long list of players that would outproduce that in their sleep if slotted in the same role.

He's giving it a go and hasn't quit so there's something to say about that, but when you're at the point where even 65-70 points would be a huge win for a 10.5M player, it's pretty bad.

Ultimately, does this impact the Flames? Not right now. It may in 3 years when they are looking at pushing for playoff contention and need the cap space and also have to push him down the lineup to give better, younger players more opportunity. Luckily eating the hit isn't a huge issue now.

He's among the leading play drivers in the last bunch of games, and he's probably second to Kadri in points in 2024. Points in the last 3 games, and the last 5 of 6. Basically he had a Crap december or he'd be at your 70 points.

Either way, you don't seem to know what replacement level means. Which waiver wire or current free agent could do the same?

[calf]

I'm just glad he did what he felt was best for his family, which was

*checks notes*

Playing for a team closer to home

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by GullFoss

I think once Hanifin realized the flames aren't making the playoffs for the next 7 years, the writing was on the wall. He's just hitting his prime and was offered:

Similar money
Warmer climate
More competitive team
US player playing in US

Kind of a no brainer. As long as Huby is here earning $10.5m for replacement quality play, this team is pure suxor. And is only going to get worse as Conroy has entered full tank mode.

7 years!
Vegas is more competitive now...they are hitting a wall soon though IMO, hopefully in 26

[Mr.Coffee]

Originally Posted by Whynotnow

This part is absolutely true and means the Canadian teams, or at least the small market ones will need to be better in a lot of areas to compensate for that. Better drafting and development, and a smaller margin for error bad contracts. Can’t have dead cap, need to overpay by just the right amount. The Nurse contract for the oilers is a great example of this. It’s high by probably $2.5-3 mm, which is a killer because of the other issues you quote.

It’s been 30 plus years since a Canadian team won, and there’s a reason for that.

And yet Canadian fans bankroll the NHL. Fair, eh?

[curves2000]

The Canadian markets and some of the smaller markets like Calgary are the places where the player/agent tells the teams that high level players will sign for approx this......

Vegas is and has become the market where the team will say we will pay you a reasonable, market offer and the city/team/lifestyle will speak for it's self. The perks. This Vegas scenario will continue to be a thorn in the side for a lot of teams. Players want to be there, their families want to be there, the wives and the girlfriends love it. The practice/training facility is literally 5 minutes from where virtually all the players live. It was designed like that. Friends and family of the players and their spouses will want to come and visit and stay for longer periods of time, making transitions and moving scenarios easier. The airport is close.

This is all on top of weather, taxes, lifestyles, the women (let's be real for the male players) and entertainment options. Hanafin signed so quickly because now that he saw what it's like there, this is pretty good! He and his wife are expecting a baby soon and really wanted to be on the east coast, closer to family. That kinda took a back step in some ways with Vegas.