04-14-2024, 08:30 PM
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#81
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First round-bust
Join Date: Feb 2015
Location: speculating about AHL players
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Man, what the hell are they gonna do with this guy ...
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04-14-2024, 08:42 PM
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#82
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Calgary, AB
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They should still stick to the plan of it being a pump and dump.
He keeps this up and you're getting another 1st
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04-14-2024, 08:43 PM
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#83
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by TheScorpion
Man, what the hell are they gonna do with this guy ...
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Good problem to have.
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04-14-2024, 08:47 PM
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#84
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Feb 2012
Location: NC
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After tonight’s game,
24 points (14 G, 10 A) in 27 games.
^ 16 of those points in the last 9 games.
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04-14-2024, 08:48 PM
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#85
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Dec 2011
Location: Calgary
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Quote:
Originally Posted by TheScorpion
Man, what the hell are they gonna do with this guy ...
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Kind of win-win for us. Either you re-sign him and have a fun player to watch who is also a great interview or you flip him for a haul at the deadline next year.
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04-14-2024, 08:51 PM
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#86
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First Line Centre
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: I'm somewhere where I don't know where I am
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Quote:
Originally Posted by chummer
Good problem to have.
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Yeah
It’s a great problem to have. About the only bad outcome would be if he let it be known that he wants to go home at the end of this contract
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04-14-2024, 09:12 PM
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#87
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by TheScorpion
Man, what the hell are they gonna do with this guy ...
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Trade him in the summer lol
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04-14-2024, 09:12 PM
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#88
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First round-bust
Join Date: Feb 2015
Location: speculating about AHL players
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Make no mistake, this is awesome. It reminds me of when the Flyers gave up a 2nd to get rid of Gostisbehere. Flames are making out like bandits no matter what.
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04-14-2024, 09:21 PM
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#89
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jun 2002
Location: The Pas, MB
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Quote:
Originally Posted by SuperMatt18
They should still stick to the plan of it being a pump and dump.
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How do you know that's the plan? Maybe like Sharangovich Conroy really likes the guy and wanted to see if there's a fit.
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04-14-2024, 09:23 PM
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#90
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Franchise Player
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Keep the pump going next season by feeding him pp time and offensive starts
Maintain optionality to trade him or sign him
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04-14-2024, 09:23 PM
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#91
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Calgary, AB
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Originally Posted by Inferno
How do you know that's the plan? Maybe like Sharangovich Conroy really likes the guy and wanted to see if there's a fit.
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I should say that was the rumoured plan that I've heard.
They don't really want to commit long term to a 29 year old winger after next season, but were hoping he'd regain his 40 goal and 70 point form and be a guy they could get another asset for.
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04-14-2024, 09:48 PM
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#92
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Lifetime Suspension
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Originally Posted by TheScorpion
Make no mistake, this is awesome. It reminds me of when the Flyers gave up a 2nd to get rid of Gostisbehere. Flames are making out like bandits no matter what.
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Well to be fair Gostisbehere is still awful defensively. He is picking up points this year but he still has same issues he had when he was being healthy scratched and then traded.
Honestly don't see him as having any value on a true contender.
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04-14-2024, 10:10 PM
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#93
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by TheScorpion
Man, what the hell are they gonna do with this guy ...
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So, before social media, and before fans decided that draft picks were more important than players, what they did when they found players who could help the team was, they signed them to contracts, so that they could keep playing for the team.
Weird, I know. But I thought it worked.
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04-14-2024, 10:18 PM
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#94
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First round-bust
Join Date: Feb 2015
Location: speculating about AHL players
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Originally Posted by Enoch Root
So, before social media, and before fans decided that draft picks were more important than players, what they did when they found players who could help the team was, they signed them to contracts, so that they could keep playing for the team.
Weird, I know. But I thought it worked.
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Well. Sure. But for this team where it is right now, what is different with Kuzmenko and guys like Tanev, Hanifin, and Zadorov? All objectively good players who were eligible to be signed to contracts but were eventually traded for draft picks both because they couldn't come to terms on a deal and they didn't fit the team's window.
I get Kuzmenko is the new toy and he's done a remarkable job since coming over but what's the long play here?
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04-14-2024, 10:28 PM
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#95
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by TheScorpion
Well. Sure. But for this team where it is right now, what is different with Kuzmenko and guys like Tanev, Hanifin, and Zadorov? All objectively good players who were eligible to be signed to contracts but were eventually traded for draft picks both because they couldn't come to terms on a deal and they didn't fit the team's window.
I get Kuzmenko is the new toy and he's done a remarkable job since coming over but what's the long play here?
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There doesn't always have to be a long play. There is also a team to ice each night.
The difference between Kuzmenko and those other guys is that he probably doesn't return much. Also, he is entertaining, and this is an entertainment business. Fans pay thousands of dollars a year to support the team and want to watch something. Kuzmenko provides entertainment, without significantly deterring the rebuild.
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04-14-2024, 10:30 PM
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#96
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by TheScorpion
Well. Sure. But for this team where it is right now, what is different with Kuzmenko and guys like Tanev, Hanifin, and Zadorov? All objectively good players who were eligible to be signed to contracts but were eventually traded for draft picks both because they couldn't come to terms on a deal and they didn't fit the team's window.
I get Kuzmenko is the new toy and he's done a remarkable job since coming over but what's the long play here?
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There’s a cap floor, they have to ice a team, and Kuzmenko is their best offensive player with the puck on his stick by a wide margin.
Someone has to be able to pump guys for us to dump them, and it sure isn’t Huberdeau.
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04-14-2024, 10:31 PM
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#97
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Powerplay Quarterback
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If Kuzmenko keeps this up into next year, he’s going to return a haul… 1st round pick + prospect. Every team would love to potentially add a 30-35 goal guy at the deadline.
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04-14-2024, 10:49 PM
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#98
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First round-bust
Join Date: Feb 2015
Location: speculating about AHL players
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I get all the points being made. I'm not saying to trade Kuzmenko tomorrow. But if you can trade him for a high pick and then sign a similar player in UFA, wouldn't you?
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04-14-2024, 10:56 PM
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#99
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by TheScorpion
I get all the points being made. I'm not saying to trade Kuzmenko tomorrow. But if you can trade him for a high pick and then sign a similar player in UFA, wouldn't you?
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But you can’t sign a similar player in UFA - they’ll be worse, they’ll cost more for longer, and there’s no guarantee they fit with the players you have already.
This player is a 40 goal scorer when not being coached by Rick Tochett.
Kuzmenko isn’t perfect but he works with the players you have under contract, and it seems very unlikely that he will need a prohibitive number of years to retain.
Russian NHLers don’t want to go back to Russia if they can help it.
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04-14-2024, 10:59 PM
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#100
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2014
Location: Springbank
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Quote:
Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814
There’s a cap floor, they have to ice a team, and Kuzmenko is their best offensive player with the puck on his stick by a wide margin.
Someone has to be able to pump guys for us to dump them, and it sure isn’t Huberdeau.
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Oddly enough Kuzmenko and Huberdeau have pretty much the same amount of points since Kuzmenko arrived. Kuzmenko 24, Huberdeau 26.
It’s possible to praise Kuzmenko without having to slag other players who’ve produced pretty well lately.
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