[News] Dillon Dube granted indefinite leave of absence for mental health

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by cam_calderon

https://twitter.com/user/status/1025392838576488449

Does anyone remember this? I'm pretty sure Brouwer survived this ordeal, even if that headline was perhaps a step too far.

That whole tweet thread is how it was over the top and uncalled for. So let’s emulate it.

[GioforPM]

https://www.hockeytomorrow.com/pro-p...-mental-health

[cam_calderon]

We should strive not to emulate it. I just don't think criticism of his on-ice play is unjustified. If anything, the speculation as to his role in the WJC incident (including in this thread) is more harmful and potentially libellous.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by cam_calderon

As I said, to toil through the junior ranks and CHL, AHL, Europe etc, unless you're a bona fide star from day dot like a Bedard, takes a hell of a lot of resiliency. Some mean words on a forum from an anonymous avatar do not affect these guys - or, at least, they shouldn't.

It shouldn’t actually need to be said that different things impact different people different ways, and that public criticism is quite a bit different and requires an entirely different form of “resiliency” than riding a bus in the AHL. Sure, we know Brouwer “survived” a nasty headline in the Sun, but you actually have no idea how that or the other negativity surrounding him effected him, and it’s actually not your place to say what should or shouldn’t affect any of these guys.

End of the day, people can say whatever they want, but it’s a pretty cowardly lack of ownership to turnaround and make excuses for it by saying they should just be able to hand it or that it doesn’t matter because they don’t actually see it. Just be a grownup and own your words.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by cam_calderon

I just don't think criticism of his on-ice play is unjustified.

Correct. But, do you think this is the right time and place for it?


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[cam_calderon]

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[cam_calderon]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

Correct. But, do you think this is the right time and place for it?


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Yes, as I believe it is quite likely affecting his mental health. Therefore, it's relevant in a thread specifically about his mental health.

If it is coming off as kicking him when he's down, that's not my intention. In my initial post I was merely stating I'm unsurprised that his play, in concert with his off-ice issues, has led to him taking a break.

Everyone wishes him well - I don't think anyone on CP is opening this thread and smiling ear to ear. The well wishing posts don't really add much to the discussion.

[cam_calderon]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

Just be a grownup and own your words.

Please point out to me, oh sanctimonious one, where I failed to own my words?

[PeteMoss]

My complaint with this is with the NHL and this Team Canada investigation timeline. This was reporting in May 2022 (or at least that is went the CalPuck thread was posted). You are now approaching 20 months.

I'm sure the NHL is doing nothing investigation-wise so they are just waiting for the police to announce something so they can avoid a PR fiasco if they announce punishments and then the police come out with new information.

I doubt there is new information coming in now even on the police/crown side - just seems like everyone is waiting out the clock to avoid the blowback from whatever the decision is.

Just doesn't seem to help the victim or any players on the team who weren't involved to just have this hanging out there for this long.

And to caveat - I have no idea if Dube was involved or not

[cam_calderon]

Completely agree. The matter is closed as far as Bettman is concerned, he's just waiting on the cops. The reporters must know the players who are alleged to have been in the room that night - I'm surprised there have been no leaks yet.

[Strange Brew]

IMO CP is a respectful place for the most part and those who cross the line seem to get dealt with, either formally or informally.

Sometimes people just want to find something to argue about.

[jlh2640]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

Correct. But, do you think this is the right time and place for it?


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Neither of you are wrong, we need to be respectful of the player as a human being. But his play has not been good and he's getting paid millions of dollars. He is a professional athlete, so the criticism is warranted. Just not today, I am glad the Flames are supporting him.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by cam_calderon

Please point out to me, oh sanctimonious one, where I failed to own my words?

It was more of a general “you,” but anyone excusing themselves by suggesting that nobody reads it or that players should just be able to take it would be guilty of it.

Didn’t really think it needed a second explanation.

[Icantwhisper]

I know you can't judge CP as a whole but man this thread and the Nichushkin thread are night and day.
You would think when it comes to issues of mental health the jersey the person would be wearing doesn't matter and your allegiances could be put on hold.

[cam_calderon]

Thanks to the antics of teams like Vegas and Tampa, fans of small market teams like the Flames are right to be sceptical. I think everything is above board with the Nichuskin one, but you can't blame people for being cynical. No cap in the playoffs is utterly ridiculous.

[Icantwhisper]

Originally Posted by cam_calderon

Thanks to the antics of teams like Vegas and Tampa, fans of small market teams like the Flames are right to be sceptical. I think everything is above board with the Nichuskin one, but you can't blame people for being cynical. No cap in the playoffs is utterly ridiculous.

Did you mean stupid instead on skeptical? His salary will continue to count against the cap while he is on leave so the advantage to Colorado is what????

[cam_calderon]

I believe after 10 games (or 24 days) the salaries of players in the program no longer count. I'm not saying Colorado are doing anything wrong, just that cap tricks - whether perceived or real - are immensely frustrating for fans.

[PepsiFree]

The salaries don’t count against the cap if they put the player on LTIR, which they can do if they believe the player will miss 10+ games, but isn’t automatic.

Girard missed 18 games in the program earlier this season and was never on LTIR. Nichuskin has not been placed on LTIR.

[cam_calderon]

Ah, re-read the article and it does mention that. Noted.

But to be fair, for the more casual fan or ones who don't know the cap well, I definitely see where the cynicism comes from.

[topfiverecords]

These threads always expose the worst posters.