11-14-2023, 06:22 PM
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#81
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Appealing my suspension
Join Date: Sep 2002
Location: Just outside Enemy Lines
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There are 3 retention spots per team, and all retention does is let teams move contracts they normally couldn't. Flames are unlikely to commit one for 5 years plus to offload Kadri until they see how many they need to use to move out the pending UFA's this year.
Teams are not piling on extra 1st round picks because you retain 50% of Zadorovs contract. It let's you trade him for a 2nd and 5th to a team that couldn't fit him in otherwise. So it increases value and adds more possible suitors. But it's not the magic elixir it's talked up to be.
This team has 5-6 years of pain in front of it.
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Last edited by Sylvanfan; 11-14-2023 at 06:26 PM.
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11-14-2023, 06:24 PM
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#82
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina
if what he has done is convinced the franchise to "re-something" that's the most important accomplishment and long-term will be far more important to this franchise than the above.
I don't have much of a view on Huska yet, but, having an absolutely god-awful start to the season was absolutely critical. So if he's a bad coach - i don't mind it. Winning isn't the goal right now.
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I agree in principle, tanking and bottoming out is absolutely what this franchise needed. That said, I think Conroy had asbolutely no intention for his team to be sitting in 30th place and facing a tear down. You don't throw those contracts at Hanifin and Lindholm if that's the case.
Winning might not be the goal, but if your GM is a dud then you're also losing a lot of value in your trades, and that comes back to haunt you later. We know this because it's exactly what happened under Feaster.
Again, wait and see, but there's some reason to be concerned here that we may not have the right guy to get us out of this.
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11-14-2023, 06:24 PM
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#83
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by Incogneto
You can only retain on 3 players, so do it wisely:
- Maximize return on Hanifin and Lindholm
- get rid of one anchor: Huberdeau or Kadri
That’s it. That’s all.
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Zero reason to trade Huberdeau if you are going into a 3 year rebuild. That would be a terrible move. Maybe look at it in 3 years if he has not improved at all, but I would not do it now.
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11-14-2023, 06:25 PM
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#84
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Aug 2012
Location: Seattle, WA/Scottsdale, AZ
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Originally Posted by Tkachukwagon
Most NJ fans want Brendan Smith fired into the sun and replaced with Zadorov
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I don't like Zadorov on the right side and I thought he wanted more ice time?
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11-14-2023, 06:27 PM
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#85
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by GullFoss
Don Maloney will hopefully lose his job for thinking the roster construction was good. How can you have 40-years of experience in the NHL and have zero idea what a good team looks like
Seriously...he thought this bottom feeder team was a contender.
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In fairness he could not say it was a horrific team at the same press conference where they were calling Treliving a good hockey man.
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11-14-2023, 06:27 PM
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#86
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Franchise Player
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Quote:
Originally Posted by GullFoss
Don Maloney will hopefully lose his job for thinking the roster construction was good. How can you have 40-years of experience in the NHL and have zero idea what a good team looks like
Seriously...he thought this bottom feeder team was a contender.
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Wasn’t just him
Many in the media saw a bounce back
And we see it this year with the Canucks with largely the same roster
Within the glut of middling teams there is some variability year to year
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11-14-2023, 06:42 PM
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#88
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Aug 2012
Location: Seattle, WA/Scottsdale, AZ
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Rather see them bring Nemec up if he's not developing on the farm, than trade for Zadorov and risk him whining again in Newark.
Maybe if the deal was Smith + 4th for Zadorov at 50%.
No chance the Flames go for that.
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11-14-2023, 07:05 PM
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#89
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by DoubleK
Rather see them bring Nemec up if he's not developing on the farm, than trade for Zadorov and risk him whining again in Newark.
Maybe if the deal was Smith + 4th for Zadorov at 50%.
No chance the Flames go for that.
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A cap dump taking up a roster spot and a 4th, plus retaining almost a couple mil.
Flames would have to throw in a 2nd.
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11-14-2023, 07:06 PM
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Scoring Winger
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I would do zero with regard to Kadri or Huberdeau. Why? This year deal with the backlog of UFA’s. that’s enough. Feels like Kadri has turned it around imo. No reason to add value to move him.
Re-visit Kadri and Huberdeau in a year or two.
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11-14-2023, 07:09 PM
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#91
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Scoring Winger
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Originally Posted by Harry Lime
A cap dump taking up a roster spot and a 4th, plus retaining almost a couple mil.
Flames would have to throw in a 2nd.
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I get it, you’re being sarcastic.
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11-14-2023, 07:12 PM
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#92
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Scoring Winger
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Question…
Can we do a sign and trade and retain for 2-3 years?
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11-14-2023, 07:13 PM
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#93
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by Owen15
Question…
Can we do a sign and trade and retain for 2-3 years?
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They can but they need the retention slots for the UFAs or markstrom
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11-14-2023, 07:15 PM
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#94
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Scoring Winger
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Originally Posted by Bonded
They can but they need the retention slots for the UFAs or markstrom
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I was literally thinking about Lindholm and Hanifin.
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11-14-2023, 07:15 PM
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#95
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Feb 2012
Location: NC
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Owen15
Question…
Can we do a sign and trade and retain for 2-3 years?
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? Like sign a player, then instantly trade them right away and retain? Don’t see that flying.
Trading for a player, retaining his salary, and then trading that player you just acquired to another team is fine though. For instance, if Tanev goes to Vancouver/Toronto I’d be just fine acquiring Myers/Klingberg and slicing their respective cap hit in half and trading the player to a contender.
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11-14-2023, 07:17 PM
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#96
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2014
Location: Springbank
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Aarongavey
Zero reason to trade Huberdeau if you are going into a 3 year rebuild. That would be a terrible move. Maybe look at it in 3 years if he has not improved at all, but I would not do it now.
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Yup. You are going to not be in cap trouble for a few years, you don’t really care if he plays badly because you aren’t concerned about winning. In 4 years, if things are the same, then you do something.
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11-14-2023, 07:17 PM
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#97
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Powerplay Quarterback
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Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina
I don't have much of a view on Huska yet, but, having an absolutely god-awful start to the season was absolutely critical. So if he's a bad coach - i don't mind it. Winning isn't the goal right now.
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Wasn't Bednar's first year in Colorado absolutely atrocious? Could Huska be that type of scenario? Do we just need to give him more than a season?
Honest question.
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11-14-2023, 07:19 PM
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#98
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Scoring Winger
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Originally Posted by ForeverFlameFan
? Like sign a player, then instantly trade them right away and retain? Don’t see that flying.
Trading for a player, retaining his salary, and then trading that player you just acquired to another team is fine though. For instance, if Tanev goes to Vancouver/Toronto I’d be just fine acquiring Myers/Klingberg and slicing their respective cap hit in half and trading the player to a contender.
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Yes.
Sign and trade on Hanifin for example where we retain on this years salary as well as 2-3 years out of 8 on the new deal?
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11-14-2023, 07:19 PM
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#99
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Franchise Player
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Owen15
I was literally thinking about Lindholm and Hanifin.
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No way they sign short term deals
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11-14-2023, 07:19 PM
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#100
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Franchise Player
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Quote:
Originally Posted by GullFoss
Don Maloney will hopefully lose his job for thinking the roster construction was good. How can you have 40-years of experience in the NHL and have zero idea what a good team looks like
Seriously...he thought this bottom feeder team was a contender.
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Cycling76er
Wasn't Bednar's first year in Colorado absolutely atrocious? Could Huska be that type of scenario? Do we just need to give him more than a season?
Honest question.
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Could be. Far too early to say
But the chances that he’s the head coach when this team is ready to contend is also very slim
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