Food Prices

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Doctorfever

I like those studies. The kind that have the shopping cart on the top right. Lol

“Guys, why is NOBODY studying this? What, you mean I gotta PAY to read these people’s hard work? Huh??”

Guy who knows how the world works.

[Doctorfever]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

“Guys, why is NOBODY studying this? What, you mean I gotta PAY to read these people’s hard work? Huh??”

Guy who knows how the world works.

Cool study.

Did you read the part about how the carbon tax is affecting food prices?

[iggy_oi]

Originally Posted by Doctorfever

Cool study.

Did you read the part about how the carbon tax is affecting food prices?

Does it say if the carbon tax affects food prices more or less than GST?

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by Wormius

Or maybe we just need OPEC to open their taps again and flood the market with cheap oil and ergo cheap fuel and transportation costs. I wouldn’t mind 60 cent/litre gasoline again.

Did you see what that did to Alberta last time?

[Wormius]

Originally Posted by jayswin

Did you see what that did to Alberta last time?

We were almost forced to diversify our economy and identity as a province.

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by Wormius

We were almost forced to diversify our economy and identity as a province.

Yeah, great stuff, it's just that easy, lol. Why doesn't every province and state on earth just simply diversify their economy?

I'm all for diversification, independant of hoping for strong oil for the time being, trust me. But don't pretend it's an alternative to what drives our province. You're cheering for something that destroys us and drives many to ruin and suicide.

[Wormius]

Originally Posted by jayswin

Yeah, great stuff, it's just that easy, lol. Why doesn't every province and state on earth just simply diversify their economy?

I'm all for diversification, independant of hoping for strong oil for the time being, trust me. But don't pretend it's an alternative to what drives our province. You're cheering for something that destroys us and drives many to ruin and suicide.

Lets not be dramatic with the ruin and suicide and hell-fire and destroying “us”. I am not cheering for the demise of an industry, but I am also not cheering for high oil prices and what that brings. I think it’s negatively affecting more people than it helps due to fuel prices and the impact on supply chains everywhere.

Why doesn’t our province diversify? Have you seen our provincial government at work? It’s entire m.o. is to put all of its eggs into one o&g basket.

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by Wormius

Lets not be dramatic with the ruin and suicide and hell-fire and destroying “us”. I am not cheering for the demise of an industry, but I am also not cheering for high oil prices and what that brings. I think it’s negatively affecting more people than it helps due to fuel prices and the impact on supply chains everywhere.

Why doesn’t our province diversify? Have you seen our provincial government at work? It’s entire m.o. is to put all of its eggs into one o&g basket.

We were actually diversifying very nicely under the NDP, lots of great gains there. But our population is too stupid to see beyond WE NEED TEH FIZCAL CONSERATIVES!!!!!! NO socialism!!

[Mathgod]

Originally Posted by calgarywinning

It's like City taxes. This year, based on inflation I'm actually not mad about the 8% increase they are planning because everyone wanted it.

But food pricing is essentially a post carbon tax epidemic. Again, something people voted for and wanted.

Why are people so surprised with an outcome? Carbon tax is brutal for the consumer it's like GST on energy after you pay your tax burden so the amount should be doubled. Because Canada is not a polluter and it doesn't mean we can't get smarter about climate change and conserving waste, energy etc. Every level of city hall is hit with an inflationary cost due to this tax. Therefore you get what you vote for.

Compared to 3 years ago, oil prices are 72% higher and diesel prices are 76% higher.

Mainstream economists acknowledge that greedflation has contributed to larger-than-necessary price increases.

Supply chains have still not fully recovered from the 2021 crisis.

The effects of climate change are making it harder to grow food and hurting crop yields.

But hey, when there's a right-wing agenda to push, it's convenient to blame everything on the carbon tax...

[Slava]

Originally Posted by Mathgod

Compared to 3 years ago, oil prices are 72% higher and diesel prices are 76% higher.

Mainstream economists acknowledge that greedflation has contributed to larger-than-necessary price increases.

Supply chains have still not fully recovered from the 2021 crisis.

The effects of climate change are making it harder to grow food and hurting crop yields.

But hey, when there's a right-wing agenda to push, it's convenient to blame everything on the carbon tax...

From the article you link to, where I wouldn’t say all mainstream economists are in line with that train of thought.

Yes, but: When asked if he thought corporate profits were a cause, Powell said no. Plenty of other economists are still on that side of the fence, too.

[Mathgod]

Originally Posted by Slava

From the article you link to, where I wouldn’t say all mainstream economists are in line with that train of thought.

It was a poorly worded question. Of course corporate profits are not the cause of higher prices, they've been the result of higher prices.

And I should have added to the above list, the effect of two simultaneous wars going on, the supply issues and political/social upheaval they are causing.

[moncton golden flames]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

The only solution is to try and make more money. Whether that's by negotiating for more in your current position (some workplaces have a defined COLA, for example) or by looking for a different job.

It's not the only solution. You could always grow some of your food to help offset the costs of buying from a retailer.

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by moncton golden flames

It's not the only solution. You could always grow some of your food to help offset the costs of buying from a retailer.

Little Jerry doesn't produce eggs.

[Wormius]

Originally Posted by moncton golden flames

It's not the only solution. You could always grow some of your food to help offset the costs of buying from a retailer.

I am not sure most people could grow enough to make a big dent, but I think learning how to make things instead of getting highly processed food at the grocery store would help. Make your own mac and cheese, curries, pasta sauce, bread, granola, jams, yogurt, french fries, whatever.

[blankall]

Originally Posted by moncton golden flames

It's not the only solution. You could always grow some of your food to help offset the costs of buying from a retailer.

There are realistically a pretty limited amount of things you can produce at home, especially in Calgary, that won't cost more than you recover. Then you have to take into account your time.

If you're growing your own food, you are also presumably cooking many meals from raw ingredients. So, for example, instead of growing a bunch of potatoes, you could buy a large bag of rice or pasta, and then make meals much cheaper.

[DoubleF]

Originally Posted by Wormius

I am not sure most people could grow enough to make a big dent, but I think learning how to make things instead of getting highly processed food at the grocery store would help. Make your own mac and cheese, curries, pasta sauce, bread, granola, jams, yogurt, french fries, whatever.

I've been considering it. I think it could make a decent dent if you aim at certain consumables that are sorta higher value and small. A mini greenhouse with things like this could work:

- Herbs (meh.. but a small supply of Dill or Thai basil I can freeze might be nice for occasional use)
- Chives?
- Shallots (instead of onions)
- Mushrooms (has to be its own isolated green house?)
- Green onion
- Peppers

Others:
- Garlic/Ginger? (but these are relatively cheap in general unless special stuff like black garlic and organic small ginger is grown)
- Swiss chard?
- Cucumbers?
- Tomatoes?
- Eggplant?

I wouldn't do things that are inexpensive like onions, carrots, cilantro, celery etc.

Originally Posted by blankall

There are realistically a pretty limited amount of things you can produce at home, especially in Calgary, that won't cost more than you recover. Then you have to take into account your time.

If you're growing your own food, you are also presumably cooking many meals from raw ingredients. So, for example, instead of growing a bunch of potatoes, you could buy a large bag of rice or pasta, and then make meals much cheaper.

Actually, if you contemplate "higher end" versions of certain types of produce you'd normally buy for the basic but not the higher end one. It can work. Usually it's a little smaller with more concentrated taste.

So instead of regular garlic, elephant or black garlic would make sense. Instead of onions, shallots. Instead of green onion, maybe chives (or both for variation). Instead of Roma, heirloom tomatoes etc. Instead of spinach, swiss chard. Snow peas could work and you could harvest snow pea leaf too. Instead of regular mushrooms, enoki/oyster etc.

It's a supplement though, but one that I feel like could start breaking even within 6-10 months while also giving options that you normally wouldn't have access to at normal grocery stores. You'd have to get lucky at a farmer's market or something to get some of those.

[you&me]

Originally Posted by blankall

There are realistically a pretty limited amount of things you can produce at home, especially in Calgary, that won't cost more than you recover. Then you have to take into account your time...

Yeah, this is pretty stupid if the argument to offset produce costs is to build or purchase a "mini greenhouse" (or a second "isolated" one if you want to grow mushrooms)

By all means, grow your own produce if you want, but looking at it purely as a cost-saving measure seems silly.

[Wormius]

The kind of mushrooms that you can easily grow at home from a kit are cheaper to buy at the store than to grow your own. Maybe there are some easier ones that aren’t your typical boring button mushrooms, but if you’re thinking of some exotic varieties like morels or chanterelles, those are difficult, if not impossible to produce, otherwise you’d see them as cheap and plentiful as #####akes and cremini mushrooms.

That said, if you enjoy growing things, do it. Your homegrown strawberry will taste more amazing than anything you find at the grocery store.

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by Wormius

That said, if you enjoy growing things, do it. Your homegrown strawberry will taste more amazing than anything you find at the grocery store.

This is why we grow so many tomatoes.

[Wormius]

Is #####ake censored? I don’t think I spelled it wrong.