What can we do about Huberdeau and Kadri?

[kermitology]

I think you ride it out with Huberdeau until near the end of his contract, Kadri you buy out as soon as makes sense. No one will want him. He's selfish with the puck and I want him gone ASAP, but you have to live with him screwing up the second line for a couple of years.

I'd definitely scratch him for a couple of games though. Huberdeau too.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

They keep calling Draisaitl the best passer in the league - can you imagine Huberdeau passing to McDavid?

I'm not sure he's a perfect fit because he's a cycler and slower play developer. But he'd get points.

But McDavid and Draisaitl have the talent and speed to take his sneaky passes and convert.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Bonded

But McDavid and Draisaitl have the talent and speed to take his sneaky passes and convert.

True - but he likes to pass from the corner or half wall (so he's got to get there before getting them the puck) which takes the speed game out. I think he'd get points, but I don't know that he helps their team game.

[ThisIsAnOutrage]

Edmonton might be the only team desperate enough to make a mid-season move, so I'll keep exploring options there

Kadri for Kane?

Right before Sunday's game, for extra sauciness.

[flambers]

Originally Posted by ThisIsAnOutrage

Edmonton might be the only team desperate enough to make a mid-season move, so I'll keep exploring options there

Kadri for Kane?

No thank you, even if the salary worked

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by ThisIsAnOutrage

Edmonton might be the only team desperate enough to make a mid-season move, so I'll keep exploring options there

Kadri for Kane?

Right before Sunday's game, for extra sauciness.

Easily done.

[dissentowner]

It's really simple, put them in a system to succeed. They didn't forget how to be good players, they just can't do it with the way they are being coached. The Flames had a coach who was employing a system that was not a fit for these players, everybody could see it. So what do they do? They hire the assistant coach who employs the exact same system. We are stuck with these guys for years, if you want them to succeed you need to give them a coach who will cater to their strengths, not neuter them.

[Badgers Nose]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

It's really simple, put them in a system to succeed. They didn't forget how to be good players, they just can't do it with the way they are being coached. The Flames had a coach who was employing a system that was not a fit for these players, everybody could see it. So what do they do? They hire the assistant coach who employs the exact same system. We are stuck with these guys for years, if you want them to succeed you need to give them a coach who will cater to their strengths, not neuter them.

... same system without the defensive competence.

Mitch Love loss is a bigger deal than losing Philips.

[RedHawk12]

Keep both to help with the tank. Hope they have a resurgence in 5 years once we are done our rebuild.

[ThisIsAnOutrage]

Actually, now that I think about it, having Kadri and Kane on the same line might be interesting. Not necessarily good, nut interesting. I'd like to see it. Who to ship out for Kane? Edm..always needs dmen, so let's say...hmm..I like all of the Flames d-men. One of them anyway.

[Macho0978]

Originally Posted by blankall

I was referring more to the scenario where the Flames are in and out of the playoffs for the next 6 years and get bumped early every time they do make it.

The opportunity to retool is there this year as we have very good players on contract seasons. Trading Lindholm and Hanifin this year gets you good drafts picks but also gets you gains you cap space and roster spots. You also avoid the 8 year deals at big money too.

Things would have to continue as they are for at least 15-20 more games before it is an option but if it did the options to sell on these guys and make a run at a top 3 pick is realistic.

If the team over the next 6 years is a bubble playoff team built around, Huberdeau, Kadri, Top 3 guy, Coronato, Pelletier, Zary, Porier, Honzek, Wolf I'm ok with that then an older team being a bubble team.

[blankall]

Originally Posted by Macho0978

The opportunity to retool is there this year as we have very good players on contract seasons. Trading Lindholm and Hanifin this year gets you good drafts picks but also gets you gains you cap space and roster spots. You also avoid the 8 year deals at big money too.

Things would have to continue as they are for at least 15-20 more games before it is an option but if it did the options to sell on these guys and make a run at a top 3 pick is realistic.

If the team over the next 6 years is a bubble playoff team built around, Huberdeau, Kadri, Top 3 guy, Coronato, Pelletier, Zary, Porier, Honzek, Wolf I'm ok with that then an older team being a bubble team.

A top 3 pick or two, would definitely change the future outlook of the team. The Flames have great prospect depth players but lack the top end high skill players. If you can find your Huberdeau replacement in the draft, that totally changes the outlook of the team.

[butterfly]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

You just traded Huberdeau ad Kadri for Loui Eriksson and Jay Beagle (with offsetting picks in and out).

How about we just remain patient, and deal with them in a few years

Yeah and $108.5MM cap space over the next 8 years to buy picks and prospects with, instead of just having it go to waste.

[Spurs]

Originally Posted by ThisIsAnOutrage

Edmonton might be the only team desperate enough to make a mid-season move, so I'll keep exploring options there

Kadri for Kane?

Right before Sunday's game, for extra sauciness.

Big no thanks to a piece of garbage like Kane on this team.

Also no chance Edmonton can add a contract like Kadri to their team.

[DeluxeMoustache]

Trade Kadri and retain 1-1.5. His buyout hit would level out at 2 m over a 10 year period

[kukkudo]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Huberdeau says no. So do I for that matter. F Nurse - don't want him near this team. At least Huberdeau's a good guy.

It would be Neal for Lucic exept we'd get Neal.

Huberdeau isnt saying no haha. A Huberdeau Mcdavid line would be lethal and I dont want to see that.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by DeluxeMoustache

Trade Kadri and retain 1-1.5. His buyout hit would level out at 2 m over a 10 year period

I don't think anyone wants him with reasonable retention. If the Flames suck who cares about the cap space

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by kukkudo

Huberdeau isnt saying no haha. A Huberdeau Mcdavid line would be lethal and I dont want to see that.

Huberdeau has been to Edmonton. McDavid or no, Edmonton is still on a lot of NTC lists. Probably most of them.

[shutout]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

It's really simple, put them in a system to succeed. They didn't forget how to be good players, they just can't do it with the way they are being coached. The Flames had a coach who was employing a system that was not a fit for these players, everybody could see it. So what do they do? They hire the assistant coach who employs the exact same system. We are stuck with these guys for years, if you want them to succeed you need to give them a coach who will cater to their strengths, not neuter them.

Except that Huska and Savard have said that beyond defensive responsibilities the players are free to be creative and play to their strengths when it comes to offense.

So either the coaches are not speaking the truth or the players don't believe that they actually have this freedom.

[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by Bonded

I don't think anyone wants him with reasonable retention. If the Flames suck who cares about the cap space

Addition by subtraction

Backlund was +24 and Kadri was -19 last year