[News] Mike Babcock resigning as Columbus Blue Jackets Head Coach

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by Jimdon

Veterans maybe, but what about gaudreau can anyone say that implies he was ever a team leader? Team leaders don't do "damage control" to protect their coach and marginalize their younger teammates. Seems kind of counterproductive to earning the respect of your teammates, no?

Not all leaders are good ones, but given his age and that experience there is no question that Gaudreau would be considered among the "leadership group."

Moreover, I think it is most likely that IN HIS EXPERIENCE—chatting cordially with the new coach about summer, about his family, showing pics of his little girl, etc.—Gaudreau probably did not find any of this invasive. He most likely assumed that his experience was like everyone else's, and we have no idea how much he knew about what happened to all his other teammates in their meetings with Babcock.

I tend to think, though, that Gaudreau (wrongly) also assumed, based on his relatively benign experience, that this was a situation not worth blowing up the season over. A part of him probably saw just how damaging a scandal could be to their success as a team. Not maliciously, I don't think, but very naively, he assumed this was no big deal.

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[TrentCrimmIndependent]

Originally Posted by DoubleK

I feel bad for JD and Jarmo.

Why Jarmo? He greenlighted this terribly misguided hire.

He should've properly vetted the guy.

[getbak]

Originally Posted by DoubleK

I feel bad for JD and Jarmo.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

NHL organizations in general need move away from retread coaches altogether.

What is a "retread coach"? Jon Cooper, Mike Sullivan, Jared Bitner and Rob Brind'amour will not work in the same jobs forever. Should they be passed over as "retreads" when they will inevitably be looking for their next positions?

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[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by TrentCrimmIndependent

Why Jarmo? He greenlighted this terribly misguided hire.

He should've properly vetted the guy.

You have to think Jarmo is on thin ice as well. I think that is 4 head coaches in 11 years as GM and very limited on ice success.

[Ashasx]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

What is a "retread coach"? Jon Cooper, Mike Sullivan, Jared Bitner and Rob Brind'amour will not work in the same jobs forever. Should they be passed over as "retreads" when they will inevitably be looking for their next positions?

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A coach that bounces around from organization to organization.

[Coach]

Yeah, it really only takes one player (or any one staff member even) to make it not right. Even if he did or said one stupid thing to one single person, sorry. Check yourself before you wreck yourself. People who want to go to bat for this type of thing as being a mistake or even normal need to think about their own experience and what in their life maybe wasn't actually normal when it seemed like it was.

My guess is he made some old man comments about some of the younger players' "endeavours" and that's all you need. Times are different. "Guy talk" is different. A 20 year old has a different thought process and totally different life experience than a 30 year old. When weird, creepy things happen to young men, they now actually feel comfortable going to their peers and saying, "hey, this was effing weird, right?" vs a previous generation that just shoved all that crap down. I'm glad the players that were made uncomfortable felt confident enough to say something, especially after some veteran players spoke too soon.

[Spurs]

Originally Posted by AC

Strange how quickly people accepted the BlueJackets statement. Even the NHLPA seemed too quick to brush it aside with that initial response.

Likewise, of course Jenner and Gaudreau are more likely to be ok with the privacy breach, or at least are more likely to go on record with a reporter that they are.

Good riddance to another toxic person in a position of power.

Why was it strange for people to believe guys like Gaudreau, Jenner and Werenski? What reason was there to think they were lying?

[Spurs]

Originally Posted by Jimdon

It never ceases to amaze me how these coaches and gms just keep getting passed around and recycled from one team to the next. Yeah, Babcock had success coaching one of the best built and managed teams in the pre cap modern era. Does anyone look at Lindstrom, Datsyuk, zetterberg or any of the legendary Wings and say that their success was because of him? I might be off base here but in today's game it seems like coaching only really seems to influence a team when it's toxic, in a negative way.

Babcock is clearly a ###### bag but he had a hell of a lot more success than just at Detroit.

His record before the NHL, albeit at lower levels, was very impressive, going to the finals with Anaheim and even the success with team Canada is impressive.

[Paulie Walnuts]

https://twitter.com/user/status/1703514529336828116

Entire management team needs to go as well.

[Firebot]

https://twitter.com/user/status/1701663560143610236

A reminder of Babcock's statement on this. The guy is a liar, weasel and scumbag who will admit to a portion of the story, omit the damning parts, and pass it as normal. He did the same with the Marner incident, he passed himself as a victim of Franzen. And some posters were so quick to believe his words despite his past. He omitted going through a player's phone for several minutes outside of team facilities? Even his resignation note passes himself as a victim of distraction, and has admitted to no wrongdoing.

He fits the very definition of a narcissist

https://psychcentral.com/blog/psycho...sponsibility#1

A Narcissists Prayer
Many of these and other common narcissistic tactics can be summarized with what sometimes is referred to as a Narcissists Prayer:

That didn’t happen.

And if it did, it wasn’t that bad.

And if it was, that’s not a big deal.

And if it is, that’s not my fault.

And if it was, I didn’t mean it.

And if I did… you deserved it.

[Dion]

Hopefully this clown never gets another coaching gig. What a PR disaster for the Jackets.

[MoneyGuy]

Originally Posted by JBR

A bad BJ? Who’d have thought!!

No such thing.

[Firebot]

Originally Posted by MoneyGuy

No such thing.

What about with teeth?

[topfiverecords]

Originally Posted by DirtyMike

How could this happen - our resident PI topfiverecords assured us the interactions were all totally fine and normal

Holy Fing hell? Are you serious? You’re delusional if that’s what you think I said.

[topfiverecords]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

The same poster who defends Sutter and Peters.

Yeah no its not a different option continuing to support people like those abusers when players speak up.

But they are all cry babies right n

Lol, Paulie always Paulying.

[iggy_oi]

Maybe they’ll bring in Sutter to replace him

[Drake]

Originally Posted by topfiverecords

Lol, Puckluck always Pucklucking

Fixed it for you.

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

Originally Posted by Firebot

https://twitter.com/user/status/1701663560143610236

A reminder of Babcock's statement on this. The guy is a liar, weasel and scumbag who will admit to a portion of the story, omit the damning parts, and pass it as normal. He did the same with the Marner incident, he passed himself as a victim of Franzen. And some posters were so quick to believe his words despite his past. He omitted going through a player's phone for several minutes outside of team facilities? Even his resignation note passes himself as a victim of distraction, and has admitted to no wrongdoing.

He fits the very definition of a narcissist

https://psychcentral.com/blog/psycho...sponsibility#1

That initial quote was probably a team-directed statement, even though they probably knew there was more to it.

CBJ management i imagine wanted him to say whatever he needed to shut it down immediately when it first broke. Probably hoped no one would probe into further after the fact and that they could resolve things internally.

I'm glad the young players subjected to that BS spoke out anyways.

But I'm willing to bet there are multiple NHL teams that would try to bury an event like that. How the hiring looks would matter more than integrity and doing what's right.

Man am I glad that that old school intimidation #### doesn't fly any more.

[dissentowner]

Let's not attack fellow posters. The thread is not even about our team.