Huberdeau Interview

[Red Slinger]

Originally Posted by memphusk

I hate just about everyone and just about everything.

While I appreciate the honesty and self-awareness of your signature, that doesn't mean you need to spread your negativity around indiscriminately like a Shamu belly-flop.

There are reasons to be pessimistic and reasons to be optimistic. You are choosing to focus on the former. That's fine. It's even okay to share once in a while. But if you feel overwhelming negative about everything and everyone all the time, maybe keep it to yourself rather than acting like a dark cloud.

[Bill Bumface]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

Firstly, elite sports is hardly a game, I don't believe you can say that about any top level athlete with the amount of pressure placed upon them.

Secondly, supply and demand determines the monetary worth of pretty much everything that is not regulated. So, it's hard to say hockey players or actors etc. are overpaid when the market dictates their contract.

The market is skewed by all the public money involved in sports. If owners were on the hook for their own buildings, I suspect contracts would be a bit lower across the league. It's not like there is somewhere else to go play for anywhere near NHL money.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Red Slinger

While I appreciate the honesty and self-awareness of your signature, that doesn't mean you need to spread your negativity around indiscriminately like a Shamu belly-flop.

There are reasons to be pessimistic and reasons to be optimistic. You are choosing to focus on the former. That's fine. It's even okay to share once in a while. But if you feel overwhelming negative about everything and everyone all the time, maybe keep it to yourself rather than acting like a dark cloud.

It's just trolling at this point.

[memphusk]

Originally Posted by Red Slinger

While I appreciate the honesty and self-awareness of your signature, that doesn't mean you need to spread your negativity around indiscriminately like a Shamu belly-flop.

There are reasons to be pessimistic and reasons to be optimistic. You are choosing to focus on the former. That's fine. It's even okay to share once in a while. But if you feel overwhelming negative about everything and everyone all the time, maybe keep it to yourself rather than acting like a dark cloud.

Hahaha. Some of you guys take your internet too seriously. There is nothing wrong with being frustrated with the player and the situation. The odds are against him ever living up to it.

[KootenayFlamesFan]

Originally Posted by memphusk

Hahaha. Some of you guys take your internet too seriously. There is nothing wrong with being frustrated with the player and the situation. The odds are against him ever living up to it.

Because of last season? I'd say it's the opposite, he's an elite player who's had multiple elite offensive seasons. Odds are he bounces back in a big way next season.

[Groot]

Originally Posted by memphusk

Hahaha. Some of you guys take your internet too seriously. There is nothing wrong with being frustrated with the player and the situation. The odds are against him ever living up to it.

You don't know how odds work apparently. You dislike Huberdeau, your opinion has been duly-noted. Ironic you mention taking something too seriously when you act like you're personally paying the salary of a player that plays a sport meant for entertainment. Being so negative must be exhausting.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by Bill Bumface

The market is skewed by all the public money involved in sports. If owners were on the hook for their own buildings, I suspect contracts would be a bit lower across the league. It's not like there is somewhere else to go play for anywhere near NHL money.

It's still the market.

Since the cap is based on a pre set percentage of revenues, the fact that the owners had to pay more for their arenas would have no effect on revenues (just expenses), so would have no effect of the salaries of layers.

[memphusk]

Originally Posted by Groot

You don't know how odds work apparently. You dislike Huberdeau, your opinion has been duly-noted. Ironic you mention taking something too seriously when you act like you're personally paying the salary of a player that plays a sport meant for entertainment. Being so negative must be exhausting.

Oh? As we see players age and diminish you believe the odds are good?

[Groot]

Originally Posted by memphusk

Oh? As we see players age and diminish you believe the odds are good?

If you were calculating odds you would look at historical point totals, which indicate a more likely PPG player than a 55 point one. And 30 isn't some common age where players fall of a cliff, that concern is in the latter half of his contract when it comes to age.

[CSharp]

This is going to be an interesting 2-3 years because the Flames have players like Huberdeau, Kadri, and Weager who are here with long term contracts (and Markstrom @@) trying to prove themselves worthy. Then, there are guys wanting out between now to the trading deadline. Hubes can say all the right things now but at some point if and when the Flames realize that they are going for another rebuild, it'll impact his performance no matter how hard he'll try to redeem himself. I think he'll be on a rough ride for the next 3 years at the minimum unless if Conroy becomes a wizard that makes this team a true contender out of nowhere. I feel bad for him because he's a good player but I'm afraid his efforts will be wasted on an even worse Flames team than last season.

[Nelson]

By age 30, on average, NHL players have been on the down swing of the aging curve for several years. https://hockeyviz.com/txt/age22

The Flames gave Huberdeau a contract that was full value for Huberdeau’s best season ever, and Huberdeau is doomed to be a very unpopular Flame in short order.

OR he could prove himself to be an outlier. We shall see.

[Boumsalot]

Hubey better drop 75+ next season for me to even open one eye.

[Bill Bumface]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

It's still the market.

Since the cap is based on a pre set percentage of revenues, the fact that the owners had to pay more for their arenas would have no effect on revenues (just expenses), so would have no effect of the salaries of layers.

If the owners had to pay full price for buildings, they'd use it as justification for a lower cap. Or if public arenas got to tap revenue streams like they did in the old days, it would directly drop revenues.

It's not like the owners would just happily make less if local governments stopped subsidizing them.

[DazzlinDino]

I think Huberdeau can and will do well but it is always prudent to keep expectations in check (see Sam Bennett). Expecting him to be the 115 player is unrealistic, but a little closer to 100 point player and maybe a little less is a very good asset. I prefer to wait and see, as the Flames have made lots of changes. No reason to be overly concerned, but lots to be excited about.

[dustygoon]

Originally Posted by Nelson

By age 30, on average, NHL players have been on the down swing of the aging curve for several years. https://hockeyviz.com/txt/age22

The Flames gave Huberdeau a contract that was full value for Huberdeau’s best season ever, and Huberdeau is doomed to be a very unpopular Flame in short order.

OR he could prove himself to be an outlier. We shall see.

Statistically significant for all players for sure. But top players are a subset of this data. And I don’t see an age curve for them. Need to delineate what makes a top player and then do this exercise for them. Don’t know the data but I’m guessing the age curve is shifted a little right for them. Elite players in any sport typically have better fitness levels and skills that persist beyond the average player.

[powderjunkie]

I'd be really interested to see an age curve specifically for the playoffs

[NegativeSpace]

Originally Posted by dustygoon

Statistically significant for all players for sure. But top players are a subset of this data. And I don’t see an age curve for them. Need to delineate what makes a top player and then do this exercise for them. Don’t know the data but I’m guessing the age curve is shifted a little right for them. Elite players in any sport typically have better fitness levels and skills that persist beyond the average player.

While I appreciate the poster saying that on average NHL players get worse after age 30, it takes several steps from an average of all NHL players to this one individual player. I doubt the Flames forgot his age when they signed him to this deal.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

[PepsiFree]

Huberdeau already defied the average by improving up until 29. Even with a rough year at 29, there’s no reason to believe he’ll revert completely to the average when his trajectory has already defied it every step of the way. He’s very obviously on a different path than the average, like most high-end players are.

Not saying he’s at the level of either of these guys, but both Crosby and Ovechkin had better years the last two than they did at 28 and 29. If the average was predictive, they wouldn’t have, and would have just kept going down into their mid-thirties. But they didn’t.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Boumsalot

Hubey better drop 75+ next season for me to even open one eye.

How will he ever recover if you don't?

[Nelson]

I think we just have to wait and see how much to the right the aging curve is shifted for Huberdeau. By age 30, he’s already well to the right of where most players start going downhill. I certainly don’t think it’s obvious what’s going to happen.