[Rumour] Flames offer Phillips two-year deal. Will test market, "door isn't closed" on return

[Lanny_McDonald]

Phillips didn't receive a fair shake in Calgary? Bull####. How many camps was he at? THAT is opportunity. THAT is a fair shake in the NHL. The fact he survived for seven years in the Flames' system tells you he received more than a fair shake. He just wasn't NHL material to the coaches (multiple regimes).

[AustinL_NHL]

Conroy would be the first to tell you how much he hated camps lol then Phillips goes down to the AHL, dominates, and is yet again given zero opportunity.

Conroy is probably yelling in Phillips' ear that he wasn't given a fair shake either and giving him a ton more assurances of guaranteed opportunity.

Imma be surprised if he's not given a one-way at minimum wherever he signs.

[Goriders]

Phillips needs to gain some weight. It’s obviously the biggest knock against him. Don’t think he gained a pound since he’s been in the system.

Get in the gym.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by AustinL_NHL

Conroy would be the first to tell you how much he hated camps lol then Phillips goes down to the AHL, dominates, and is yet again given zero opportunity.

Conroy is probably yelling in Phillips' ear that he wasn't given a fair shake either and giving him a ton more assurances of guaranteed opportunity.

Imma be surprised if he's not given a one-way at minimum wherever he signs.

last night you were talking multi-millions

[topfiverecords]

Originally Posted by dino7c

last night you were talking multi-millions

Phillips would have to be the one paying to get on a line with Bedard!

[Mass_nerder]

Originally Posted by Goriders

Phillips needs to gain some weight. It’s obviously the biggest knock against him. Don’t think he gained a pound since he’s been in the system.

Get in the gym.

Unfortunately for Phillips, he doesn't really look like he's got the kind of frame that would allow him to gain the weight/strength he needs to.

[AustinL_NHL]

Originally Posted by dino7c

last night you were talking multi-millions

I said I wouldn't be surprised if at least one team (maybe multiple) would be willing to throw a couple million at him as one of the contracts to get them to the cap floor.

Free asset.

However, I'd be shocked if he doesn't get at minimum a one-way deal if he signs elsewhere, honestly including even Calgary.

Calgary is just in a much more difficult position cap-wise so their hands are kind of tied

[Redrum]

Originally Posted by Lanny_McDonald

Phillips didn't receive a fair shake in Calgary? Bull####. How many camps was he at? THAT is opportunity. THAT is a fair shake in the NHL. The fact he survived for seven years in the Flames' system tells you he received more than a fair shake. He just wasn't NHL material to the coaches (multiple regimes).

Jeez, and to think Bennett wasn't given a fair shot...

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by Goriders

Phillips needs to gain some weight. It’s obviously the biggest knock against him. Don’t think he gained a pound since he’s been in the system.

Get in the gym.

If he could have, he would have.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by AustinL_NHL

I said I wouldn't be surprised if at least one team (maybe multiple) would be willing to throw a couple million at him as one of the contracts to get them to the cap floor.

Free asset.

However, I'd be shocked if he doesn't get at minimum a one-way deal if he signs elsewhere, honestly including even Calgary.

Calgary is just in a much more difficult position cap-wise so their hands are kind of tied

I’d be shocked if that happens. Teams have better bets to spend money.

[AustinL_NHL]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

I’d be shocked if that happens. Teams have better bets to spend money.

I mean, Chicago just paid $2.3M in real dollars & $2.6M in cap space this season to acquire a 2026 2nd.

I'd argue that spending $2M on a bet like Phillips is very equivalent to that, plus you're getting a potential instant young roster player (I.e. worth a 2nd).

For teams that are close to the cap ceiling, I agree they wouldn't and would be dumb to make such a bet, but a rebuilding team that has to spend many millions just to reach the cap floor?

They're taking on bad cap hits just to get a pick in return, so why not use some of that cap space on a young player that could either be part of the rebuilding process or just end up being a bad bet that otherwise had no effect on the teams cap situation for the single season?

Definitely worth the bet for a few specific teams imo.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by AustinL_NHL

I mean, Chicago just paid $2.3M in real dollars & $2.6M in cap space this season to acquire a 2026 2nd.

I'd argue that spending $2M on a bet like Phillips is very equivalent to that, plus you're getting a potential instant young roster player (I.e. worth a 2nd).

For teams that are close to the cap ceiling, I agree they wouldn't and would be dumb to make such a bet, but a rebuilding team that has to spend many millions just to reach the cap floor?

They're taking on bad cap hits just to get a pick in return, so why not use some of that cap space on a young player that could either be part of the rebuilding process or just end up being a bad bet that otherwise had no effect on the teams cap situation for the single season?

Definitely worth the bet for a few specific teams imo.

A second round pick sometimes becomes a hall of fame player.

Chicago picked up Keith in the second round, as well as Bolland.

I would wager that Chicago would view Phillips as having little ability of becoming a viable NHL player. Otherwise they would have picked him up on waivers.

[Sandman]

I think that Matty didn't get a fair shake in his call-ups, but I also think it doesn't matter. He's not an NHL player anyway.

[Reggie Dunlop]

You'd think Gary Bettman, a dimiutive man himself, would step in.

[Cali Panthers Fan]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

St. Louis was short but built like a tank.

Phillips might one day play in the NHL but I can’t imagine he’d ever amount to something we’d regret.

Even if we did, it will give us another thing to complain about Sutter with.

That's for sure, his legs terrified me.



If Phillips had legs like that he'd be a star in the NHL.

[AustinL_NHL]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

A second round pick sometimes becomes a hall of fame player.

Chicago picked up Keith in the second round, as well as Bolland.

I would wager that Chicago would view Phillips as having little ability of becoming a viable NHL player. Otherwise they would have picked him up on waivers.

That was before another dominant season of awesome growth.

Anyways, it just comes down to differing opinions of Phillips.

Imo, from my days of playing chel when I'd blow up the Flames roster at the beginning of every GM mode and have all the cap space in the world and there was a 78 overall 25 year old playmaking offensive winger that had 4 star medium potential and he was seeking just a max 2-way deal, I'd just up it to a 1-way and $2M lol zero risk.

Really, you're only placing a $1M bet on the guy. Doesn't work out, waivers and only costs you a $1M in cap the rest of the season. Plus does nothing from an asset management POV (1-year bet on rebuilding team with max cap space). If it does work out, what an awesome bet/great asset management.

[Reggie Dunlop]

Originally Posted by Cali Panthers Fan

That's for sure, his legs terrified me.



If Phillips had legs like that he'd be a star in the NHL.

[topfiverecords]

Originally Posted by AustinL_NHL

That was before another dominant season of awesome growth.

Anyways, it just comes down to differing opinions of Phillips.

Imo, from my days of playing chel when I'd blow up the Flames roster at the beginning of every GM mode and have all the cap space in the world and there was a 78 overall 25 year old playmaking offensive winger that had 4 star medium potential and he was seeking just a max 2-way deal, I'd just up it to a 1-way and $2M lol zero risk.

Really, you're only placing a $1M bet on the guy. Doesn't work out, waivers and only costs you a $1M in cap the rest of the season. Plus does nothing from an asset management POV (1-year bet on rebuilding team with max cap space). If it does work out, what an awesome bet/great asset management.

Or you could offer him a league minimum two way contract, and express he’ll have every chance to earn a main roster spot in camp. You don’t need to offer millions. Because no one else will.

[Ped]

If he stays in North America, it will be with a team that offers him a minimum NHL salary but a really high AHL salary.

[AustinL_NHL]

Originally Posted by topfiverecords

Or you could offer him a league minimum two way contract, and express he’ll have every chance to earn a main roster spot in camp. You don’t need to offer millions. Because no one else will.

If he's deciding between 5+ teams (maybe more) all with the same offer, well worth it to secure him with an extra $500k-$1M than hope you win the 20% chance. Especially if you think he's got quality NHL potential (even a middle 6 offensive winger).

Again, I'm only saying this would make sense for a very select handful of teams (less than a handful).