[News] Kyle Dubas won't return as Leafs GM

[Erick Estrada]

I would be open to Dubas but I don't think it's going to be an option because he's and Ontario boy and if he's having a tough time balancing the job and family at home I can't imagine uprooting his family to come to Calgary is going to be an appealing option for his family. Also he said he wouldn't work anywhere else and clearly he's going to backtrack on that at some point but I don't see him doing a quick 180 and throwing his name out there for other jobs. I could see him taking a year off and seeing what's available next offseason.

However I would not be shocked to see Treliving resurface in Toronto as I have a feeling this may be something that both sides were anticipating.

[browna]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

It would be interesting if Shanahan had eyes on Treliving and let Maloney know who also could have eyes for Dubas and both teams grant each other opportunity to an exclusive window to interview the respective candidate before their contracts expire at the end of June. I doubt that is the case but could be plausible

It's plausible. Not sure about Dubas interest here but it's also likely that a lot of these things are known well in advance behind the scenes, especially a guy like Treliving who is very connected.

I think Treliving knew a while ago (months) he'd be seriously considered to be up for the Leafs job, and that anything less then a Leafs cup win would have Dubas moving on...likely Dubas knew that too. Combined with a situation coach wise that he was never really 100% aligned with here, he made his decision that he wasn't going to be here a while ago too.

[bluejays]

Something also tells me Dubas will be getting a President position somewhere. His comments on that he wouldn't be GM elsewhere was likely wordplay. He probably has an idea or two that someone would be offering him a higher level position.

[GranteedEV]

I gotta admit, when Dubas was AGM with Toronto, I bought into all the hype. That he was an analytic-minded, moneyball GM. That he would run the Leafs sort of how Carolina runs its operations - lean, high value, but never in love with anyone.

Instead he turned out to be the opposite. Signed Tavares to a monster deal. Not to take away from Tavares, but did he really fill a niche on that team? Matthews-Kadri as their 1-2 punch at centre should have been good enough. Instead that signing marginalized Kadri.

I think the Leafs are a decently run organization under Shanahan, but Dubas just wasn't what he was billed as.

[browna]

Originally Posted by bluejays

Something also tells me Dubas will be getting a President position somewhere. His comments on that he wouldn't be GM elsewhere was likely wordplay. He probably has an idea or two that someone would be offering him a higher level position.

President of Hockey operations here, can be the front facing spokesperson for the Flames in the media and also can assist Conroy who will be GM? Spitballing.

[Reggie Dunlop]

Why not Conroy as President of Hockey Operations then? He knows the organization inside and out.

[FlamesAddiction]

The best part about Dubas is watching him freak out in the manager's box. Of course, I would rather watch him do that on another team.

[Toonage]

Maloney just signed a contract and was promoted to POHO when Tre left.

Murray isn't paying him to go away now too. IMO

[Reggie Dunlop]

Originally Posted by Toonage

Maloney just signed a contract and was promoted to POHO when Tre left.

Murray isn't paying him to go away now too. IMO

Oh yeah... that

[Spurs]

I think Dubas is a fine GM but not sure what he has done that would put him anywhere near the list of top GMs in the league. Perhaps I am missing good moves but what would people say are his best trades? His best FA signings? His best draft picks?

That TO team seems built around players that were high draft picks, and while it is easy to #### those picks up, I am not sure how likely it is that Calgary is going to build a team that way.

For his overall team building skills he never seemed able to add to Reilly on the backend to build a quality defense core, the supporting players after Nylander, Marner, Matthews and Tavares never seems to be good enough and the goaltending issue has been a bit of a disaster. Looking at his drafting outside of high picks I don't see any quality picks there at all.

I would be fine if he came in but he is far from a home run hire and would come in with a lot of questions as to how much of his reputations is based on quality or hype, I think it tends to lean more towards the hype.

[browna]

Originally Posted by Toonage

Maloney just signed a contract and was promoted to POHO when Tre left.

Murray isn't paying him to go away now too. IMO

Probably not, but IMO the Flames will need to install someone at some level to be the public face of the franchise in dealing with matters around the league and the media. It won't be the GM, Maloney is not the long term guy in his role, never mind a media specialist.

The roles of Burke and King had, especially together, were something I think the owners were comfortable with, knowing things were handled here day to day, those guys were respected around the league and media were handled...so I can see them trying to find someone to be a similar spokesperson, representative and overall presence around the organization day to day

[liamenator]

Wording of that press release suggests the Leafs let him go, which probably changes his thinking about "if it's anywhere it's here." I wonder if he's not feeling a bit spurned by this and ready to go elsewhere to stick it to Shanahan. That probably means Pittsburgh, but Maloney should at least try...

[ah123]

Not sure how reliable this is, but sharing anyway

https://twitter.com/yyzsportsmedia/s...322842112?s=20

[rhino]

Originally Posted by Cali Panthers Fan

Woah...from his exit interview he sounded like another guy that's burnt out on a Canadian market.

Yea and it’s Toronto as well, probably triple the pressure as Calgary

[browna]

Originally Posted by liamenator

Wording of that press release suggests the Leafs let him go, which probably changes his thinking about "if it's anywhere it's here." I wonder if he's not feeling a bit spurned by this and ready to go elsewhere to stick it to Shanahan. That probably means Pittsburgh, but Maloney should at least try...

When he spoke a couple days ago it seemed as if writing was on the wall and he knew this was coming, his decision or not. Leafs just waited for the "Friday before the long weekend" bad news dump timing.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by ah123

Not sure how reliable this is, but sharing anyway

https://twitter.com/yyzsportsmedia/s...322842112?s=20

If that is true, yeah, no way he is going to sign up with the Flames. It sounds like a really overplayed his hand. He should have took the $4 million and private jet.

I get wanting total autonomy, but I doubt most GMs ever have total autonomy. There should be some checks and balances.

[bluejays]

Shanahan coming out with a leadup to a nugget about to hit.

[bluejays]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

If that is true, yeah, no way he is going to sign up with the Flames. It sounds like a really overplayed his hand. He should have took the $4 million and private jet.

I get wanting total autonomy, but I doubt most GMs ever have total autonomy. There should be some checks and balances.

Agreed. Especially in a corporate environment in Toronto you need specific guys who can talk to the board. Not saying he couldn't, but rarely can he have full autonomy on everything. That's Shanahan's job to talk with the board.

[bluejays]

Very interesting approach Shanahan is taking. Going into the full timeline and full transparency of the conversations. Really sounds like Shanahan felt spurned after demands went too long. Shanahan got used to the idea the vision coming from someone aside from Dubas. Also sounds like he was handling it like a businessman and wasn't sure Dubas was all in (after his press conference probably didn't look good in the Board's mind, so he made the move). Very interesting.

[Reign of Fire]

Not getting the love affair some fans have with Dubas, what exactly has he done?