04-12-2023, 08:01 AM
|
#81
|
Franchise Player
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by iloveicedhockey
What an absolutely lights out pick Wolf was, based on form to date and potential. May still not pan out but to get any sort of NHLer that late is found money. Given that I missed him when I went to watch the wranglers earlier this year, I'm really looking forward to seeing him.
|
Watch his warmup at the start of the period. A lot of goalies can do the splits, but not a lot of goalies have a 30 inch vertical jump wearing full equipment…
|
|
|
04-12-2023, 08:34 AM
|
#82
|
Franchise Player
Join Date: Apr 2004
Location: Calgary
|
GM Sutter is showcasing Wolf and the kids so he can trade them for slow vets in the offseason.
Can't wait!!!! LOL
|
|
|
04-12-2023, 09:55 AM
|
#83
|
Franchise Player
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Calgary, AB
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by Lanny_McDonald
Sutter isn’t doing jack####, especially providing opportunities to anyone. Providing opportunity would have been playing these guys when the games mattered rather than using useless veterans that did nothing but contribute to losses. Sutter wasted a year of development and opportunity for this organization. #### him.
|
Yup.
I know your feelings on Matthew Phillips but honestly the treatment of Phillips in that two game call up by Sutter tells you all you need to know about Sutter IMO.
This team desperately needed an offensive playmaker all season, and he refused to give him a shot strictly because of size and his personal feelings for the player.
18 minutes of total ice time, all of it exclusively on the 4th line, for the guy that was at 1.5 PPG in the AHL at the time.
I look at Tommy Novak who was given a shot by Nashville down the stretch and he put up 41 points in 49 games.
Novak:
25 Years Old
26 points in 25 AHL game pre-call up this year
135 points in 157 career AHL game (0.86 PPG)
Phillips:
25 Years Old
30 points in 20 AHL games at the time of his call up.
236 points in 262 AHL games (0.90 PPG)
Phillips might never become anything at the NHL level - but this organization's inability to give him a real look when he is at 1.04 PPG over the last three seasons (158 GP) and has helped lead the team to great seasons two years in a row is ridiculous.
Wolf, Phillips, Pelletier, Zary, Jones, Poirier, and even Emilio Pettersen all earned an NHL look at some point IMO...and I really hope we have a coach next year that won't be too stubborn to give some of those guys a look. Sutter's "We're not 10 points up, or 10 points out" comment just killed me earlier this season, such an outdated view of how to get the most of a roster in today's NHL. Honestly his refusal to inject youth in the lineup is the whole reason I hope he's fired this season. This org needs a coach who is going to promote youth.
Last edited by SuperMatt18; 04-12-2023 at 10:05 AM.
|
|
|
The Following 24 Users Say Thank You to SuperMatt18 For This Useful Post:
|
albertGQ,
Ashasx,
badradio,
D as in David,
devo22,
Draug,
Erick Estrada,
GreenHardHat,
HighLifeMan,
Jawbone Hill,
Lanny_McDonald,
Mr.Coffee,
Mustache,
Muta,
Paulie Walnuts,
schteve_d,
Scornfire,
Slava,
Snuffleupagus,
The Big Chill,
The Fonz,
Tkachukwagon,
tripin_billie,
Yeah_Baby
|
04-12-2023, 09:58 AM
|
#84
|
Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: still in edmonton
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by SuperMatt18
but this organization's inability to give him a real look when he is at 1.04 PPG over the last three seasons (158 GP) and has helped lead the team to great seasons two years in a row is ridiculous.
|
And that is the major question I'm looking to be answered this offseason. What is this organization? was it Brad and Hockey Ops? Or was it Darryl's stubborn dinosaurs. (I think we know who is going to win)
|
|
|
The Following 5 Users Say Thank You to Ozy_Flame For This Useful Post:
|
|
04-12-2023, 10:18 AM
|
#86
|
Powerplay Quarterback
Join Date: Sep 2002
Location: Calgary, AB
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by OutOfTheCube
NHL politics are so weird - both these players should’ve already been playing. Wolf like 3-4 months ago. Oh well, will be exciting to see what they bring in a short time, hopefully some encouragement for next year.
|
I think this is more of a Calgary Flames thing than the NHL. Pelletier or Ruzicka should have played over Lucic almost all year. I think many teams would have done that. Goalies can be weird in that they seem to all develop at different paces, but still, wouldn't have been a bad thing to call up before the team was out of it.
This is Sutter not NHL politics, in my opinion.
|
|
|
04-12-2023, 10:28 AM
|
#87
|
Franchise Player
Join Date: Apr 2004
Location: I don't belong here
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by SuperMatt18
Yup.
I know your feelings on Matthew Phillips but honestly the treatment of Phillips in that two game call up by Sutter tells you all you need to know about Sutter IMO.
This team desperately needed an offensive playmaker all season, and he refused to give him a shot strictly because of size and his personal feelings for the player.
18 minutes of total ice time, all of it exclusively on the 4th line, for the guy that was at 1.5 PPG in the AHL at the time.
I look at Tommy Novak who was given a shot by Nashville down the stretch and he put up 41 points in 49 games.
Novak:
25 Years Old
26 points in 25 AHL game pre-call up this year
135 points in 157 career AHL game (0.86 PPG)
Phillips:
25 Years Old
30 points in 20 AHL games at the time of his call up.
236 points in 262 AHL games (0.90 PPG)
Phillips might never become anything at the NHL level - but this organization's inability to give him a real look when he is at 1.04 PPG over the last three seasons (158 GP) and has helped lead the team to great seasons two years in a row is ridiculous.
Wolf, Phillips, Pelletier, Zary, Jones, Poirier, and even Emilio Pettersen all earned an NHL look at some point IMO...and I really hope we have a coach next year that won't be too stubborn to give some of those guys a look. Sutter's "We're not 10 points up, or 10 points out" comment just killed me earlier this season, such an outdated view of how to get the most of a roster in today's NHL. Honestly his refusal to inject youth in the lineup is the whole reason I hope he's fired this season. This org needs a coach who is going to promote youth.
|
Phillips wasn't impressive in his first two games. He was being eased into the lineup and he didn't push the needle. Pelletier got the same treatment and after the 2nd game he impressed the coaches and he got ice time. This isn't Sutter treating Phillips bad because he's young and small this is Sutter saying "prove to me you're ready". Pelletier did, Phillips didn't. Pelletier's play slipped and he was sat. Phillips wasn't mistreated, he just wasn't good enough. Success in the AHL, at his age, doesn't mean an NHL job is possible.
|
|
|
The Following 2 Users Say Thank You to Buff For This Useful Post:
|
|
04-12-2023, 10:33 AM
|
#88
|
Franchise Player
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Calgary, AB
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by Buff
Phillips wasn't impressive in his first two games. He was being eased into the lineup and he didn't push the needle. Pelletier got the same treatment and after the 2nd game he impressed the coaches and he got ice time. This isn't Sutter treating Phillips bad because he's young and small this is Sutter saying "prove to me you're ready". Pelletier did, Phillips didn't. Pelletier's play slipped and he was sat. Phillips wasn't mistreated, he just wasn't good enough. Success in the AHL, at his age, doesn't mean an NHL job is possible.
|
Phillips is never going to impress in that role - he's not a 4th line grinder.
That role works for Pelletier and Duehr because they can play that game - they can go out and hit and be quick on the forecheck in a 4th line role.
If you are expecting Phillips to do that then you are not putting him in a position to succeed. Which IMO has been an issue with Sutter all year - he's trying to force people to fit instead of adapting around the players with have and putting them in a position where there strengths allow them to succeed.
|
|
|
The Following 3 Users Say Thank You to SuperMatt18 For This Useful Post:
|
|
04-12-2023, 10:35 AM
|
#89
|
Franchise Player
Join Date: May 2016
Location: ATCO Field, Section 201
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by I_H8_Crawford
GM Sutter is showcasing Wolf and the kids so he can trade them for slow vets in the offseason.
Can't wait!!!! LOL
|
Do sit around a day dream about things that make you un happy?
|
|
|
04-12-2023, 10:37 AM
|
#90
|
Franchise Player
Join Date: May 2016
Location: ATCO Field, Section 201
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by Buff
Phillips wasn't impressive in his first two games. He was being eased into the lineup and he didn't push the needle. Pelletier got the same treatment and after the 2nd game he impressed the coaches and he got ice time. This isn't Sutter treating Phillips bad because he's young and small this is Sutter saying "prove to me you're ready". Pelletier did, Phillips didn't. Pelletier's play slipped and he was sat. Phillips wasn't mistreated, he just wasn't good enough. Success in the AHL, at his age, doesn't mean an NHL job is possible.
|
No doubt Phillips is impressive with the puck on his stick, it is what he does away from the puck that is the concern. He might have needed a longer leash, but at some point you need to break the door in when they crack it open for you.
|
|
|
04-12-2023, 10:40 AM
|
#91
|
Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2014
Location: Springbank
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by SuperMatt18
Phillips is never going to impress in that role - he's not a 4th line grinder.
That role works for Pelletier and Duehr because they can play that game - they can go out and hit and be quick on the forecheck in a 4th line role.
If you are expecting Phillips to do that then you are not putting him in a position to succeed. Which IMO has been an issue with Sutter all year - he's trying to force people to fit instead of adapting around the players with have and putting them in a position where there strengths allow them to succeed.
|
I think he should have been given more games to make it, but according to Dobber he didn't really get stuck solely on 4th line. His biggest minutes were with Backlund and Ruzicka. His second (by 50%) was with Ruzicka and Zohorna - that's 4th line but with his AHL buddies. He had under 1:00 with any other combo, and never played with Lucic (14 seconds with Lewis, suggesting an overlap on a line change or something).
https://frozenpool.dobbersports.com/...tthew-phillips
|
|
|
The Following User Says Thank You to GioforPM For This Useful Post:
|
|
04-12-2023, 10:50 AM
|
#92
|
One of the Nine
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: Space Sector 2814
|
I have no doubt Wolf fully deserves this call up, what a season.
But if Coronato plays, what message does it send to Zary who has played a full season to date, recovered from his injury plagued first season, put up great points and was drafted the year before Coronato.
Is there something in play here with the limited number of calls ups the Flames have? Are they out? Is it not physically possible to call up Zary with Wolf being called up?
__________________
"In brightest day, in blackest night / No evil shall escape my sight / Let those who worship evil's might / Beware my power, Green Lantern's light!"
|
|
|
04-12-2023, 10:57 AM
|
#93
|
Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: still in edmonton
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by GreenLantern
I have no doubt Wolf fully deserves this call up, what a season.
But if Coronato plays, what message does it send to Zary who has played a full season to date, recovered from his injury plagued first season, put up great points and was drafted the year before Coronato.
Is there something in play here with the limited number of calls ups the Flames have? Are they out? Is it not physically possible to call up Zary with Wolf being called up?
|
In theory they could have used their last call up for Zary. But I think the fact of the matter is the weirdness about NCAA players and their contracts.
Depending on what happens to our Centre depth over the summer I suspect Zary may have a spot next year.
|
|
|
04-12-2023, 11:02 AM
|
#94
|
Franchise Player
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by GioforPM
I think he should have been given more games to make it, but according to Dobber he didn't really get stuck solely on 4th line. His biggest minutes were with Backlund and Ruzicka. His second (by 50%) was with Ruzicka and Zohorna - that's 4th line but with his AHL buddies. He had under 1:00 with any other combo, and never played with Lucic (14 seconds with Lewis, suggesting an overlap on a line change or something).
https://frozenpool.dobbersports.com/...tthew-phillips
|
I'm pretty sure Sutter actually talked about not putting Phillips on the fourth line in order to give him a chance to succeed. Got time on PP2 as well.
I would have given him more games/minutes but Sutter obviously wasn't that impressed.
|
|
|
04-12-2023, 11:20 AM
|
#95
|
Franchise Player
Join Date: Feb 2013
Location: Boca Raton, FL
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by SuperMatt18
Yup.
I know your feelings on Matthew Phillips but honestly the treatment of Phillips in that two game call up by Sutter tells you all you need to know about Sutter IMO.
This team desperately needed an offensive playmaker all season, and he refused to give him a shot strictly because of size and his personal feelings for the player.
18 minutes of total ice time, all of it exclusively on the 4th line, for the guy that was at 1.5 PPG in the AHL at the time.
I look at Tommy Novak who was given a shot by Nashville down the stretch and he put up 41 points in 49 games.
Novak:
25 Years Old
26 points in 25 AHL game pre-call up this year
135 points in 157 career AHL game (0.86 PPG)
Phillips:
25 Years Old
30 points in 20 AHL games at the time of his call up.
236 points in 262 AHL games (0.90 PPG)
Phillips might never become anything at the NHL level - but this organization's inability to give him a real look when he is at 1.04 PPG over the last three seasons (158 GP) and has helped lead the team to great seasons two years in a row is ridiculous.
Wolf, Phillips, Pelletier, Zary, Jones, Poirier, and even Emilio Pettersen all earned an NHL look at some point IMO...and I really hope we have a coach next year that won't be too stubborn to give some of those guys a look. Sutter's "We're not 10 points up, or 10 points out" comment just killed me earlier this season, such an outdated view of how to get the most of a roster in today's NHL. Honestly his refusal to inject youth in the lineup is the whole reason I hope he's fired this season. This org needs a coach who is going to promote youth.
|
I agree with your overall take, but there were very few opportunities for call ups this year too. Usually injuries mount up over a season and the AHL guys get a look, but the forwards were relatively healthy all year long. Only the d-men got injured and that allowed Gilbert to get a healthy look and impress a little.
However, Nashville had prospects playing because they traded guys away. That's one thing Treliving has rarely done because he always believes "the answers are in the room" instead of assessing a poorly performing team for what they really are. I put some of this on him as well for signing plugs like Kevin Rooney, only to bury him a week into the season.
__________________
"You know, that's kinda why I came here, to show that I don't suck that much" ~ Devin Cooley, Professional Goaltender
|
|
|
04-12-2023, 11:30 AM
|
#96
|
Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2014
Location: Springbank
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by tvp2003
I'm pretty sure Sutter actually talked about not putting Phillips on the fourth line in order to give him a chance to succeed. Got time on PP2 as well.
I would have given him more games/minutes but Sutter obviously wasn't that impressed.
|
Arguably throwing him out with a guy like Backlund who typically faces top competition might not be ideal either. I have no idea how that game went TBH. His fancy stats weren't great, but the sample size is way too small to pay attention to that.
he did get a 2nd unit PP shift and his line scored.
It's funny though - his previous call up was 2020-21 and he did play with Lucic and Ruzicka, plus one shift with Backlund and Nordstrom. And his stats were good.
|
|
|
04-12-2023, 11:33 AM
|
#97
|
Franchise Player
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: Calgary
|
I'm gonna be real miffed if Phillips eventually "Marty St. Louis's" us in the future with whatever team he ends up with after this season. Flames fans are gonna riot lol.
|
|
|
04-12-2023, 11:33 AM
|
#98
|
Franchise Player
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by Cali Panthers Fan
I agree with your overall take, but there were very few opportunities for call ups this year too. Usually injuries mount up over a season and the AHL guys get a look, but the forwards were relatively healthy all year long. Only the d-men got injured and that allowed Gilbert to get a healthy look and impress a little.
However, Nashville had prospects playing because they traded guys away. That's one thing Treliving has rarely done because he always believes "the answers are in the room" instead of assessing a poorly performing team for what they really are. I put some of this on him as well for signing plugs like Kevin Rooney, only to bury him a week into the season.
|
I agree about the injuries but the team needed a infusion of skill and offence well could have sat the likes of Lucic and Rooney earlier to get these guys in.
Darryl just doesn't like him and even took shots at him when he was in the minors for no reason. You don't see stuff like thaf often.
|
|
|
04-12-2023, 11:35 AM
|
#99
|
#1 Goaltender
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts
I agree about the injuries but the team needed a infusion of skill and offence well could have sat the likes of Lucic and Rooney earlier to get these guys in.
Darryl just doesn't like him and even took shots at him when he was in the minors for no reason. You don't see stuff like thaf often.
|
Finally swapped Lewis out for Rooney in your Sutter rants!
Even though to be fair I reckon Sutter dislikes Rooney even more than you.
|
|
|
04-12-2023, 11:41 AM
|
#100
|
First Line Centre
|
Phillips had what 6 minutes of ice time? What’s he suppose to do? He didn't get a fair shot at all under Sutter.
|
|
|
The Following User Says Thank You to badradio For This Useful Post:
|
|
Posting Rules
|
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts
HTML code is Off
|
|
|
All times are GMT -6. The time now is 07:59 PM.
|
|