Carson Briere, (Flyer's GM son) pushes disabled woman's wheelchair down stairs at bar

[monkeyman]

Every bar I’ve ever been to has had a random wheelchair sitting at the top of a steep staircase. What could go wrong?

[OutOfTheCube]

Originally Posted by GreatWhiteEbola

OK, what's the plot? I would like to know if an ableist sees this as a type of "assault" on a person or simply property damage. Perhaps this type of action should be met with jail time, is that a fair discussion? Could it be a hate crime?

I guess you should find an ableist to ask.

[genetic_phreek]

How about the dude that directed the wheelchair towards the stairs before Briere actually pushed it over? That dude isn't a saint.

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

Originally Posted by Huntingwhale

Terrible apologies from both. Even more hilarious is that they are coming from the daily f'ing mail.

Notice how there is no apology directed towards the woman, it's just about his actions and damage control

Claiming it was in opposition to their values was also junk from DB. His kid didn't look at all conflicted about shoving the chair.. so why blow sunshine up ###ses by serving up a contradictory statement to the visual evidence.

Carson's values are pretty clearly demonstrated there. If he wanted to be sincere he could admit that he has some work to do with his son.

The "my kid would never" denial of many parents is a widespread issue in a lot of families and is probably why a lot of ####y behavior like this persists into their adulthood under the radar.

[Mass_nerder]

Originally Posted by Torture

OK, Fleury is probably a bad example considering the mental health issues.....but anyways, it's just as likely that a poor families' kids might not have as much face time with parents because they're out of the house working 2 jobs just to make ends meet and they can't afford to have a parent stay home and not work unlike a hockey parent....so in that case they're worse off socially and financially.

I'm sure we can all point to anecdotes of rich kid children that had issues or were jerks, but on the whole, having rich millionaire parents is going to be a net positive because it opens the door to so many different opportunities and that just might be the most lukewarm take in the history of the internet.

Oh look, it's backed up by evidence too:
Why Rich Parents Raise Smarter Children
Why do wealthy parents have wealthy children
Study: To succeed in America, it's better to be born rich than smart

I don't understand why you're arguing?
I pointed out that kids of pro athletes may not get a lot of time with that parent, and therefore may suffer from it, even if they're wealthy. That's not a crazy statement, and it doesn't negate the fact that children from poorer households suffer similar situations.
Of course having wealthy parents is a net positive that provides children more opportunities, but I'm not sure where I said it didn't.

[curves2000]

If the Briere's are serious about this, they will purchase a new wheelchair of the highest quality for this person. That is awful behavior ! We have all done stupid things in our lives even when we are older than in our 20's. That level of harm, stupidity is bad. You have been caught, your family name is fairly well known publicly and your family has the financial means to make this right.

Be a man and make amends on this issue quietly and properly.

[Reggie Dunlop]

The other chud in the plaid shirt should also be held accountable.

[BoLevi]

The backwards hats, the goofy hair, the immature air about them. These kids scream DB hockey players.

[Philly06Cup]

Comparing pushing a wheelchair down stairs to breaking someone's legs are completely BONKERS. Insane how many likes it got. Not trying to minimize what he did, but this reaction is over the top. People looking for reasons to be outraged.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by GullFoss

I think it's overblown. He was probably super drunk and did something stupid. Could have done many dumber things like drink and drive, or commit sexual assault.

Buy the person a new wheelchair, apologize, do some sensitivity training and lay off the booze

I'd be surprised if anyone here agreed with you.

[GreatWhiteEbola]

Originally Posted by OutOfTheCube

I guess you should find an ableist to ask.

I assumed you were, based on your opinions. If you're not an ableist could you still offer some insight into your perspective in this matter?

[OptimalTates]

Originally Posted by OutOfTheCube

Yeah I definitely thought she was in the wheelchair when I read that headline, like damn that's a crazy story.

Seems like a non-story to me. Drunk 20-something does a dumb non-criminal thing and damages someone's property.

You think damaging someone’s property is non-criminal?

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

Originally Posted by Philly06Cup

Comparing pushing a wheelchair down stairs to breaking someone's legs are completely BONKERS. Insane how many likes it got. Not trying to minimize what he did, but this reaction is over the top. People looking for reasons to be outraged.

Spend a year in a wheelchair out of necessity then get back to us on the importance of a wheelchair to a person and what that can be compared to.

Until then, your perspective doesn't hold much weight. We literally had a wheelchair user in this thread compare it to leg braking in terms of significance.

So who should we believe, you or him/her?

[midniteowl]

Hmmm...looking for something to be outraged?


If the wheelchair belongs to the bar, then yes, it's property damage. But the wheelchair belongs to a live person, she uses it to get around, it's essentially her "legs". Yeah, breaking it feels like breaking her legs because without the wheelchair she can't get around anymore. Is that being outraged? IDK, I think they are, I am, extremely disgusted, a little angry may be. Nobody has said he deserved jail time, now that is outrage.

[Minnie]

This isn't about boys will be boys. The gender of those involved is irrelevant - its just plain BS behavior from one human to another & BS isn't confined to any particular gender, so maybe drop that. Same with their choice of career.

Chairs are expensive & are generally tailored to each individual's needs, so as to alleviate the possibility of further injury. It's not just "buy her another chair" - there will be time and effort involved on her part, going in to have a new chair tailored to her specific needs and in the meantime, she's inconvenienced by having no chair or a loaner chair, presumably because she's employed or what have you and may not be able to get where she needs to be - not only that, it could very well cause health concerns, that can range from mild to death.

If you need an idea of the issues disabled people face when unable to use their chairs, just Google and read the stories about airlines damaging or destroying wheelchairs - hell, 1 woman died as a result of her chair being destroyed - she developed a pressure sore that led to infection that led to invasion of her hip bone by the infection and caused her death a bit later.

This was a turd move. There needs to be reparation made in more than one form, and I hope that they make that happen and are sincere in their efforts.

[Hack&Lube]

I was in a wheelchair for 3 months recently due to a hit & run and this is definitely a customized/expensive model for someone who will be using it long term. The seat cushion in these chairs itself could be $600-$700. You need to be sitting in these cushions for 8-16 hours a day and they are designed for people who need them for life.

No bar would have a chair like this ($3000-$6000). It has her own post it notes on it and her own cup holder attachement.

[Minnie]

Originally Posted by Philly06Cup

Comparing pushing a wheelchair down stairs to breaking someone's legs are completely BONKERS. Insane how many likes it got. Not trying to minimize what he did, but this reaction is over the top. People looking for reasons to be outraged.

This may be one of the more ridiculous and uninformed things I've read on this subject. Get educated.

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

The void of empathy being shown here is next level.

I'd like you to take away a disabled person's custom manufactured wheelchair and then attempt to explain to them why it's not so bad and they'd be "bonkers" to overreact about it.

And then when you realize your stupidity, ask them to nut punch you because you deserve it.

[GreatWhiteEbola]

Originally Posted by Philly06Cup

Comparing pushing a wheelchair down stairs to breaking someone's legs are completely BONKERS. Insane how many likes it got. Not trying to minimize what he did, but this reaction is over the top. People looking for reasons to be outraged.

How long have you been using a wheeled mobility device? In the 23+ years I have had to use a wheelchair, I have been without my wheelchair a handful of times. It is effectively like having my legs broken. Of course, it's not completely analogous but there are strong comparisons. I struggle to find a more apt analogy.

[Hack&Lube]

Originally Posted by curves2000

If the Briere's are serious about this, they will purchase a new wheelchair of the highest quality for this person. That is awful behavior ! We have all done stupid things in our lives even when we are older than in our 20's. That level of harm, stupidity is bad. You have been caught, your family name is fairly well known publicly and your family has the financial means to make this right.

Be a man and make amends on this issue quietly and properly.

Just replacing the wheelchair isn't enough. If they really cared they would offer to help over a lot of her medical expenses or help with accessibility options that many people can't afford at home and work (special lifts, etc.).