The Calgary Flames "goalie killers" Jordan Sigalet (and now) Jason LaBarbera

[Flamescuprun2018]

Flames don't need new goalie coaches.

They need a sports psychologist full time.

Our goalies are head cases at the moment. Zero confidence, emotionally fragile, overreacting to things.

Case in point. Markstrom loses in overtime and proceeds to destroy his stick into a million pieces.


Technically, they are not challenging shooters and staying too deep in net while not staying efficient in movement is what I have seen.

[Dajazz]

It’s funny how all our goalies that underperform receive the same critical analysis: playing too deep in the net.

So our goalies tend to get worse once they end up here. They become more passive in net.

Is this bad luck? Or is there real correlation?

Why is suddenly Markstrom playing another style?

It’s not the first time Sigalet & Co are questioned. Go check some threads on underperforming goalies and it’s all very similar to this one.

Goalies are voodoo, but I think our goalie coaches suck plums.

[DeluxeMoustache]

I think most people don’t understand goaltending

A good place to start is to understand that what the camera sees of the net, and what the puck would see (if it had eyes) are very different.

(Not to mention that turning the puck over and giving Mackinnon a clear path to the net on shot 1 is not a good strategy)

[dino7c]

Goaltending didn't cost them last game...it has cost them 8+ games let alone having a goalie steal a game or two through.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by DeluxeMoustache

I think most people don’t understand goaltending

A good place to start is to understand that what the camera sees of the net, and what the puck would see (if it had eyes) are very different.

(Not to mention that turning the puck over and giving Mackinnon a clear path to the net on shot 1 is not a good strategy)

A lot of people only really look at Calgary’s goalies as well. They think other goalies are playing different positionally when they aren’t.

I do pay attention to what Millen says about goals. At least he played, so he knows. Hrudey as well, though he sometimes overdefends or wants to credit other players too much.

People should watch a game live and even more so from ice level some time. It’s amazing how the perspectve changes about how plays happen and what can be done about it.

[t0rrent98]

We should consider taking Freddie Braithwaite away from the knights organization and hire him as our goalie coach. I think Sigalet and Labarbera has worn out their welcome.

[GGG]

To me it’s as simple as in 10 years our goaltending has not been good.

So what are the options
- the organization is so dysfunctional that no goalie or goalie coach stands a chance
- the goalie coaches are not good enough
- the talent hasn’t been good enough

1 and 3 could be true but even if they are we don’t have the ability to change ownership or improve talent. Therefore switching out the coaches becomes the obvious choice. At least the organization will learn something by their removal. With our current coaches present Markstrom is not viable. In order to use the current window you need to make Markstrom viable.

So in the end replacing the coaches could be the solution so they should try it as there aren’t other options.

[Cecil Terwilliger]

Originally Posted by DeluxeMoustache

I think most people don’t understand goaltending

A good place to start is to understand that what the camera sees of the net, and what the puck would see (if it had eyes) are very different.

(Not to mention that turning the puck over and giving Mackinnon a clear path to the net on shot 1 is not a good strategy)

Most people don’t understand hockey. And yet here we are.

[gamesaver]

Feels like cherry picking. If you sign UFA goalies approaching the end of their carreer (Smith, Hiller, Elliot, now Marky) of course they are about to regress. I would argue Rittich has turned out pretty good for an undrafted euro goalie who was not even that highly regarded in Europe. Now he is a full time NHLer. The goaltending has been an issue since the end of Kipper era though. But I think it's more about targeting a young talent. They just insist on throwing money at the problem with all these UFA signings, but none of it is a real long term solution.

[Erick Estrada]

Either Vladar and Markstrom are two of the worst goaltenders in the history of the NHL or Sigalet and his staff are doing an incredibly poor job handling the goaltenders. It's one or the other.

[Enoch Root]

regardless, it's a results busines and the results are awful, and have been subpar for many years

[Flamesfan05]

Originally Posted by gamesaver

Feels like cherry picking. If you sign UFA goalies approaching the end of their carreer (Smith, Hiller, Elliot, now Marky) of course they are about to regress. I would argue Rittich has turned out pretty good for an undrafted euro goalie who was not even that highly regarded in Europe. Now he is a full time NHLer. The goaltending has been an issue since the end of Kipper era though. But I think it's more about targeting a young talent. They just insist on throwing money at the problem with all these UFA signings, but none of it is a real long term solution.

They don’t have a good track record of drafting goalies

Maybe Wolf is different but that is TBD

[musth]

Just fire these two, whoever coaches the D, and whoever coaches the PP.

They are all trash and you need to make a statement, especially if you think Tre and Sutter aren't going anywhere. Jesus!

Oh and check for carbon monoxide leak in the dressing room. Are the Zambonis parked near there?

[Psytic]

Couldn't be any worse could it ? Lets get a fresh perspective.

[GGG]

For those who think the coaching arrangement is fine what conditions would you have to see to believe the goalie coaches should be replaced?

[The Yen Man]

I've been calling for them to change from Sigalet for while now. I have no idea how he keeps having a job to be honest.

[FormerPresJamesTaylor]

Originally Posted by GGG

For those who think the coaching arrangement is fine what conditions would you have to see to believe the goalie coaches should be replaced?

More fence to sit on?

[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by The Yen Man

I've been calling for them to change from Sigalet for while now. I have no idea how he keeps having a job to be honest.

Very peculiar. Are the Flames taking your calls?

[sketchyt]

Originally Posted by DeluxeMoustache

I think most people don’t understand goaltending

A good place to start is to understand that what the camera sees of the net, and what the puck would see (if it had eyes) are very different.

I caught this a while back, but these are the little details professional goalie coaches see:

https://twitter.com/user/status/1610484463271804928

[Hot_Flatus]

Originally Posted by GGG

To me it’s as simple as in 10 years our goaltending has not been good.

So what are the options
- the organization is so dysfunctional that no goalie or goalie coach stands a chance
- the goalie coaches are not good enough
- the talent hasn’t been good enough

1 and 3 could be true but even if they are we don’t have the ability to change ownership or improve talent. Therefore switching out the coaches becomes the obvious choice. At least the organization will learn something by their removal. With our current coaches present Markstrom is not viable. In order to use the current window you need to make Markstrom viable.

So in the end replacing the coaches could be the solution so they should try it as there aren’t other options.

Maybe a few years ago, but you are ignoring the fact that these coaches produced a vezina calibre season out of the same goalie, and pretty decent product of the the same backup last year. I find it hard to believe that the coaches came into the year and just said screw it, let's change everything despite the success of last season.

It couldn't possibly just be a case of an incredibly bad year? Many good goalies are historically up and down, especially ones like Markstrom, who rely heavily on their big bodies and positioning. Ultimately it is up to the talent to get the job done, especially when you know it can work here in this system.

The other possibility is that Markstrom is just cooked and will never get it back. It would suck, but that is the risk when you sign an older goalie to a long-term FA deal. There have been plenty of mediocre goalies over the last 10 years that performed to an acceptable, if not above what you'd expect level here. It hasn't nearly been as bad as many would seem to make you believe.