Saddledome literally falling apart

[nik-]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

Yeah I do remember his tenure and the negotiations. Seems you don't.

Ok Erick. "Bad man not give my team money!"

[Joborule]

Originally Posted by Muta

Getting the Olympics would have absolutely helped with McMahon and other facilities like the Oval, etc. The amount of investment coming from provincial, federal, IOC and private funding was a once in a lifetime opportunity to fix our facilities - approx. $5 additional for every $1 the city invested... once in a lifetime opportunity to have other parties help pay for our crappy sports infrastructure. But I digress.

Calgary 2030?

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by nik-

Ok Erick. "Bad man not give my team money!"

That's the kind response you give when you can't counter an argument. Nenshi wasn't accommodating in negotiations for years until he did a 180 and was for reasons only he knows. Can't change history nik-.

[Burning Beard]

It's kinda interesting how this topic brings people out of the "off-topic" forums and into the actual Flames forum. Usually against a new arena deal as well.

[troutman]

Neil Young and Crazy Horse are probably responsible. Too loud!

[Redlan]

Originally Posted by nik-

Yes, I'm sure you, Erick Estrada, remember the tenure of Nenshi and his actions in regards to the arena with clear vision, in no way biased by your long demonstrated desire to have the city pay for this.

I do not think anyone has suggested that "the city pay for this". Venues such as this, fieldhouses, parks, stadiums, libraries, museums...all add value to a city. When I travel, and I travel frequently, I visit/use/pay to go to these venues and they make for a desirable place to visit. Calgary has little to offer outside of the Stampede, some sports teams...the Zoo Maybe. But we can always send travelers elsewhere..."Have you been to Banff yet?" does not keep money in Calgary's hotels, restaurants, stores, ect.

[nik-]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

That's the kind response you give when you can't counter an argument. Nenshi wasn't accommodating in negotiations for years until he did a 180 and was for reasons only he knows. Can't change history nik-.

What's to counter? You're mistaking giving in to the Flames requests with being accommodating. He said no, his stance didn't change. It was clear. Your inability to accept that he wasn't giving the Flames what they wanted is your issue, no one else's. You're mad about this clearly communicated position so you state it's being difficult, or not being accommodating. No, it's not giving billionaires a totally outsized chunk of money.

CalgaryNext was trash. It got to response it deserved.

[monkeyman]

Originally Posted by powderjunkie

Opened in 1965, still going strong

Going strong might be a bit of a stretch considering there hasn’t been a major sporting event played there in over 25 years.The coyotes chose a 5000 seat building rather than to play there. That’s got to tell you something.

[Mr.Coffee]

So

-cap keeps going up, reflecting continued revenue increases for the NHL
-franchise equity has boomed over last 20 yrs
-ticket prices will sky rocket in new arena
-city offered to pay 50% of new building, wasn’t good enough apparently
-owners are billionaires, employees paid salaries of millions
-revenues projected to keep increasing
-last proposal had the city owning the building at end of life, which is in itself actually a liability
-most of the changes fans want are aesthetic, but for basically more bathrooms or bigger ones, I guess?

Weird how the city isn’t just tripping over itself to get this done.

[Freeway]

Strange that a city council that doesn't see an arena as a priority immediately put together a committee to get a new deal together.

[Two Fivenagame]

Frankly I find it absolutely ridiculous that CSEC is complaining about the age of the building. It was built in the 80's and we have several, fully functional public recreation facilities that are way, way older.

Why does a billionaire ownership group with multimillionaire staff deserve public funding?
They play hockey. They are really, really good at putting a puck in the net. That's it.

Surely the half billion dollars coming from tax payers for this new building could be better spent on nurses and teachers.

Go on. Move the flames to another city. I'll happily follow the Houston flames from my TV.

[Goriders]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Yup, the Olympics would have been the perfect opportunity to get a busload of federal funding, something Calgary won't otherwise see.

And an incredible amount of debt.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Two Fivenagame

Frankly I find it absolutely ridiculous that CSEC is complaining about the age of the building. It was built in the 80's and we have several, fully functional public recreation facilities that are way, way older.

Why does a billionaire ownership group with multimillionaire staff deserve public funding?
They play hockey. They are really, really good at putting a puck in the net. That's it.

Surely the half billion dollars coming from tax payers for this new building could be better spent on nurses and teachers.

Go on. Move the flames to another city. I'll happily follow the Houston flames from my TV.

The building is not adequate for many modern entertainment events beyond hockey...has as much to do with the design as the age. If the Flames were to leave the city would eventually be building an event center anyway with 100% funding.

And oh sweet summer child...money "saved" on an arena is not going to teachers and nurses

[Goriders]

Originally Posted by Two Fivenagame

Frankly I find it absolutely ridiculous that CSEC is complaining about the age of the building. It was built in the 80's and we have several, fully functional public recreation facilities that are way, way older.

Why does a billionaire ownership group with multimillionaire staff deserve public funding?
They play hockey. They are really, really good at putting a puck in the net. That's it.

Surely the half billion dollars coming from tax payers for this new building could be better spent on nurses and teachers.

Go on. Move the flames to another city. I'll happily follow the Houston flames from my TV.

Why not give the half billion back to the taxpayers.

[getbak]

CSEC wasted too much time trying to drum up support for CalgaryNext, which was pretty much dead in the water from the beginning.

I went to a STH event in 2010 or 2011 where King said he had plans sitting in his desk drawer that he couldn't wait to show us all for a building "a couple blocks north of here". Then, CSEC bought the Stamps and their focus shifted to CalgaryNext, and they wasted years pushing that.

If they had kept the focus on the original arena plans, we could have been in a new building not long after Edmonton.

[Goriders]

Originally Posted by Mr.Coffee

So

-cap keeps going up, reflecting continued revenue increases for the NHL
-franchise equity has boomed over last 20 yrs
-ticket prices will sky rocket in new arena
-city offered to pay 50% of new building, wasn’t good enough apparently
-owners are billionaires, employees paid salaries of millions
-revenues projected to keep increasing
-last proposal had the city owning the building at end of life, which is in itself actually a liability
-most of the changes fans want are aesthetic, but for basically more bathrooms or bigger ones, I guess?

Weird how the city isn’t just tripping over itself to get this done.

We deserve it.

[FlamingHomer]

At least when they do get around to replacing it, demolition should be easy. Just give it a good kick.

[Mr.Coffee]

Originally Posted by dino7c

The building is not adequate for many modern entertainment events beyond hockey...has as much to do with the design as the age. If the Flames were to leave the city would eventually be building an event center anyway with 100% funding.

This is the best argument why taxpayers should consider a deal with CSEC, as maybe we can grift off the billionaire because you’re right, 110% Calgary will build a facility event centre with 100% money eventually regardless of Flames or not.

So a fair middle ground for a private business hoarding all profits is 50/50 but, wasn’t good enough for Flames I guess.

City of Calgary should offer to buy the Flames, run it like Green Bay does with the Packers.

[getbak]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

That's the kind response you give when you can't counter an argument. Nenshi wasn't accommodating in negotiations for years until he did a 180 and was for reasons only he knows. Can't change history nik-.

The reasons were pretty obvious. CSEC shifted focus from CalgaryNext, which was never going to happen, to building at the Stampede Park area.

[monkeyman]

Originally Posted by Mr.Coffee

Weird how the city isn’t just tripping over itself to get this done.

The city has literally been tripping over itself to try and get this done.
The Flames too. It’s been a cluster f$@& from the beginning.